Don Brash: "We should decriminalise marijuana"

[husaberg]

ha ha ha haaaaaaa, now we get down to it. You have your stereotype and will stick to it. I take back any credit I gave you for the ability to have a free thought.

You're a closed minded dickhead.

I was asked for Stats. You don't like the stats so you ignore them then say I am closed minded.
Your drug use places you in the minority Dickhead.
Tell you want.
Send an email to your employers stating your views on how its how illegal drugs are ok and see what happens
Do that and copy us all in and I will not stereotype you.
As you are a great role model for your Kids after all.

[jazfender]

Your drug use places you in the minority Dickhead.

This argument does not fly on a site for a minority pursuit.

[Shadowjack]

This argument does not fly on a site for a minority pursuit.

A legal minority pursuit...

[mashman]

I was asked for Stats. You don't like the stats so you ignore them then say I am closed minded.
Your drug use places you in the minority Dickhead.
Tell you want.
Send an email to your employers stating your views on how its how illegal drugs are ok and see what happens
Do that and copy us all in and I will not stereotype you.
As you are a great role model for your Kids after all.

I don't ignore the stats because I know that drug use and drug abuse goes on day in and day out for a multitude of reasons. I accept that I cannot tell a grown adult what they can and can't do.
Minority? Alcohol is a drug and it's used by the majority of the country. But your prejudice won't accept that as a fact. Yes, prejudice!
My employers are one of the reasons I don't take illegal drugs. That doesn't fit with your stereotype does it?
Why would my kids know that I have taken drugs? well apart from my 20 yr old son. Having said that... when they're old enough, I'll tell them, and if they're curious, I will "show" them so that they can make their own minds up, just in case they get peer pressured into it.

[StoneY]

KB members? Thats alcohol for ya

Yup (KB members that is and shit...Im one too!)

Stacks up quite nicely as as while most users of high grade cocaine may start out as highly paid professional they don't stay that way for long show me a functioning long term addict. The vast majority of cocaine users are users of crack cocaine BTW

calling meth cocaine is like calling beer cider dude - not that I advocate using either substance.

We can tax the shite out of for starters. I'd rather that than another ACC increase

i agree and my brothers opinion is license it and tax it, strictly enforce the age/licensing laws, free cops up, and make a shitload of income for the country from an existing market, bolster Police funds direct with it.

Gotta ask though, why not a hard line on booze if you're worried about your kids and grand kids?

Your joking right? Trolled bruv.

[husaberg]

Yup (KB members that is and shit...Im one too!)



calling meth cocaine is like calling beer cider dude -

Crack cocaine is Crack cocaine it is a unrefined form of coke I never called it Meth

[husaberg]

I don't ignore the stats because I know that drug use and drug abuse goes on day in and day out for a multitude of reasons. I accept that I cannot tell a grown adult what they can and can't do.
Minority? Alcohol is a drug and it's used by the majority of the country. But your prejudice won't accept that as a fact. Yes, prejudice!
My employers are one of the reasons I don't take illegal drugs. That doesn't fit with your stereotype does it?
Why would my kids know that I have taken drugs? well apart from my 20 yr old son. Having said that... when they're old enough, I'll tell them, and if they're curious, I will "show" them so that they can make their own minds up, just in case they get peer pressured into it.

Who the fuck said anything about alcohol your dickhead twin said they were included it the drug testing
he said the results include alcohol I pointed out even with the positives for the Alcohol it still only added up to 2 % positive.
You are a total retard.
Alcohol is legal Dope is not it is not the norm to use it (DOPE) no mater how much you think it is.
Shit we would be fucked without Alcohol. You certainly wouldn't get a root without it.
You are beyond words and full of shit I doubt you have a job. "Amongst other things"

Mashman
I bet you would be happy for your kids to do drugs as well? My son already does and I won't stop him. If he fucks up with them, that's his own lookout. What's yer point?
I suppose P gets a bad rap in your opinion as well?Yes, What's yer point?
Tell me Rhode scholar whats your occupation? I'm a programmer, amongst other things, What's yer point?
Does the idea of drug testing of beneficiaries offend you? Yes, What's yer point?
Drugs sure have not done you any harm after all, aye. Correct. What's yer point?

[mashman]

Who the fuck said anything about alcohol your dickhead twin said they were included it the drug testing
he said the results include alcohol I pointed out even with the positives for the Alcohol it still only added up to 2 % positive.
You are a total retard.
Alcohol is legal Dope is not it is not the norm to use it no mater how much you think it is.
Shit we would be fucked without Alcohol. You certainly wouldn't get a root without it.
You are beyond words and full of shit I doubt you have a job.


I'll be quite surprised if you can answer all these questions truthfully.

ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa... take a chill pill man.
I never said I read the stats page that you posted... and I have brought alcohol into the debate on numerous occassions, yet all you can do is hide behind your ignorant attitude that alcohol is safer and causes less harm to society than marijuana based on its legal status.
A retard eh... well that puts me several rungs further up the evolutionary ladder than yourself. It must have been the drugs.
Alcohol is the Norm? Superb attitude. It causes huge amounts of damage, but it's ok, because it's the norm, because it's legal. Sweet sweet logic. the Norm needs to change if it damages brain cells at the same rate it seems to have damaged yours.
Why do you need alcohol if life is as shiny and bright as you say it is? It alters your reality, lowers your inhibitions, can kill in one night and has a worse kill ratio than illegal drugs... and you call yourself logical and rational?
Ha ha ha haaaaaaaa. Sorry to dissapoint you, I have a job and work hard and I have a wife and get laid.

You can't stereotype me, so you resort to pathetic jibes that lack the imagination of a 4 yr old... perhaps that's a side affect of your alcohol abuse.

So again, Where's the lie? booze really has damaged you hasn't it.

[husaberg]

ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa... take a chill pill man.
I never said I read the stats page that you posted... and I have brought alcohol into the debate on numerous occassions, yet all you can do is hide behind your ignorant attitude that alcohol is safer and causes less harm to society than marijuana based on its legal status.
A retard eh... well that puts me several rungs further up the evolutionary ladder than yourself. It must have been the drugs.
Alcohol is the Norm? Superb attitude. It causes huge amounts of damage, but it's ok, because it's the norm, because it's legal. Sweet sweet logic. the Norm needs to change if it damages brain cells at the same rate it seems to have damaged yours.
Why do you need alcohol if life is as shiny and bright as you say it is? It alters your reality, lowers your inhibitions, can kill in one night and has a worse kill ratio than illegal drugs... and you call yourself logical and rational?
Ha ha ha haaaaaaaa. Sorry to dissapoint you, I have a job and work hard and I have a wife and get laid.

You can't stereotype me, so you resort to pathetic jibes that lack the imagination of a 4 yr old... perhaps that's a side affect of your alcohol abuse.

So again, Where's the lie? booze really has damaged you hasn't it.

Read my post again look for the brackets I never said alcohol was the norm I said dope wasn't The norm. Now I picking at your grammar. Infact the only time I mentioned it otherwise was when I said it wasn't a great idea to lower the drinking age. You agreed BTFW

Alcohol is legal Dope is not it is not the norm to use it (DOPE) no mater how much you think it is.

I edited this bit you posted so it fits in with the rest of the story

Mashman Ha ha ha haaaaaaaa. Sorry to dissapoint you, I have got laid off my job and and I have a wife that is hard work .

Sorry to dissapoint you, I have a job and work hard and I have a wife and get laid.

Prove it. Video will do but cover your face as well as your "wifes"
I guess my can thank alcohol for that.
Dickhead is the sterotype you best seem to fit in

[mashman]

Read my post again look for the coma I never said alcohol was the norm I said dope wasn't The norm. Now I picking at your grammar.
Dickhead is the sterotype you fit in

Prove it. Video will do but cover your face as well as your "wifes"
I guess my can thank alcohol for that.

Thanks for the clarification re: Dope. Are you saying that alcohol isn't the norm? even though the majority use it?
Two dickheads on KB, who woulda thought it ever possible...

Now you're just getting creepy asking for vids. but if it'll finally help you finish.... hang on...

[husaberg]

Thanks for the clarification re: Dope. Are you saying that alcohol isn't the norm? even though the majority use it?
Two dickheads on KB, who woulda thought it ever possible...

Now you're just getting creepy asking for vids. but if it'll finally help you finish.... hang on...

I have no opinion on Alcohol that has any thing to do with the decriminalisation of Dope.

But I do Now favour the IQ testing of potential voters, maybe drug test them to as well there are some real freaks around.

[mashman]

I have no opinion on Alcohol that has any thing to do with the decriminalisation of Dope.

But I do Now favour the IQ testing of potential voters, maybe drug test them to as well there are some real freaks around.

IQ, that's a goody. Coz it meanz that they iz intelligent coz they know shit. And you wonder why you've spent the last 15 years in the law system with things only getting worse. The best and brightest non drug taking people we have are running the country. Get a grip sunshine. I insulted 4yr olds earlier because of you.

But I'll save you the trouble. I don't vote.

I'd prefer marijuana legalisation, but will settle for decriminalisation. It will bring in much required revenue for the country (tourism, taxation, medical research/trials), free up police resources to go after P dealers (amongst others), it will force NZ society to educate kids instead of tellling them to just say no for no reason other than the grown ups say so and it will hopefully cut the alcohol dependent culture that we currently have. I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons. Time to grow up sunshine.

[husaberg]

I know you directed your rant to someone else, but it's on the verge of trolling so I'm going to gladly answer your "sincere" questions.

You're being far too simplistic. It shows absolutely no lack of depth in the view points you seem to bring across, almost as though you have more of an "emotional" reason for your views rather than a well thought out process to come to your rants.

You are comparing marijuana to P... which is an absolute joke. P is a synthetic, highly addictive, mind altering drug.

In contrast... marijuana is about as addictive as alcohol. The effects are not mind altering to hallucination. Even bothering to compare it with things such as methanphetamine, acid etc is as clever of you as comparing alcohol with such hard drugs.


Lowering the drinking age to 18 I assume that's what you were talking about, was a fair decision. The binge drinking culture isn't the 18-20 year olds fault. And why should those who aren't raised to follow such a drinking culture not be allowed to enjoy a glass of wine with dinner? Or a beer after a hard days work?

If anything I'd back up lowering the age further for specific weaker alcohol such as beer, (similar drinking ages in Germany/Switzerland) where you can have beer, cider etc at 16. It's NZ's cultures fault, in many European countries kids start having wine at 5 for goodness sake (obviously very watered down). But if it's raised as a normality rather than taboo you might stop people binge drinking. In my experience parents of my friends drunk heavier than we did!


For "I bet you'd be happy for your kids to do drugs"

Define drug... mind altering? Stimulants/depressant?

Should we be as unhappy about kids taking coffee, P, marijuana, alcohol? It's not as clear cut as you make it out to be, all drugs really need to be analysed seperately. There's a continuum of drugs from their negative aspects in which I'm sure you'd agree coffee is low on the scale, alcohol in small quantities is a pretty moderate drug and P is up in the extreme.

Would you be happy with your kids having cough medicine? Or what about a harder drug maybe... morphine just after they've been in a car crash?

If anything any "mind altering" substance should have at least an age of 16 depending on how the education of the population can handle such substances. But would you really ostracise your kid if they wanted to use marijuana recreationally? That's up there with disowning sons that come out to be homosexuals... It's their choice, and if they are educated enough in the matter it should be their own choice.

For pregnant women... they shouldn't even be having caffeine apparently. But it's the womens choice, we'd hope the general population would be educated enough on the matter though quite obviously they aren't since babies are dying sleeping with parents in there beds. Or our great "never shake a baby" educational ads... because people need to be told that.

"P gets a bad rap"

P deserves a bad rap. The reasons behind that are obvious, any drug that leads people to scratching their skin off, grinding their teeth to nothing and wield machetes at people obviously is bad.

Sorry I missed your post Well said and Yes I was meaning illegal drugs
Alcohol was posted in relation to I guess the poster thought the lowering of the drinking age was a great idea
The smoking during pregnancy was a pun on "Labour party" You are not the only one who missed it.
Yes we have both a drinking and drug problem with our youth making them more readily accessible and decriminalizing there use and lowering ages is not the answer.
Re the child never ostracizing, but not thats its ok either as my "mate" here above says.

[husaberg]

IQ, that's a goody. Coz it meanz that they iz intelligent coz they know shit. And you wonder why you've spent the last 15 years in the law system with things only getting worse. The best and brightest non drug taking people we have are running the country. Get a grip sunshine. I insulted 4yr olds earlier because of you.

But I'll save you the trouble. I don't vote.

I'd prefer marijuana legalisation, but will settle for decriminalisation. It will bring in much required revenue for the country (tourism, taxation, medical research/trials), free up police resources to go after P dealers (amongst others), it will force NZ society to educate kids instead of tellling them to just say no for no reason other than the grown ups say so and it will hopefully cut the alcohol dependent culture that we currently have. I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons. Time to grow up sunshine.

Show us the stats otherwise its all talk
I agree with the education but guess what.The judicial system doesn't target users. It targets dealers the first choice isn't dope dealers either. With decriminalizing it you say all of a sudden people are going to start paying gst and Tax think again and research yeah tourism? shifting the booze culture to Dope, that is the way forward. Is that what your saying?
The message about drugs will be a mixed message I would say. It seems like you are saying Dope is ok but not other illegal drugs. Where do you draw the line.

[mashman]

Show us the stats otherwise its all talk
I agree with the education but guess what.The judicial system doesn't target users. It targets dealers the first choice isn't dope dealers either.With decriminalizing it you say all of a sudden people are going to start paying gst and Tax think again and research yeah? shfting the booze culture to Dope that the way forward is that what your saying?

Stats for what?
I'm not saying the judicial system targets anyone, that's not their function is it?
Why wouldn't people start paying tax and gst? They do for alcohol. Why would you do anything differrent for marijuana? Have a look at Portugals drug laws and societal response in answer to your research requirement... and they did it for EVERY drug. Here's one I posted earlier... it was on Page 1.
I'd rather we shifted away from booze and I see marijuana as the lesser of 2 evils. who knows, people may actually make their own minds up and do neither ...

The message about drugs will be a mixed message I would say.

Then educate the current and subsequent generations properly. No mixed message then.