Benefits

[Swoop]

If it was easy, all jobs would be created by governments.

Previous NZ governments have cleverly expanded the "public servant's" workforce.
Yay for bums-on-(taxpayer)seats...

[FJRider]

What would happen if you took all the beneficiaries and made them millionares, and made all the millionares beneficiaries? I think the newly rich would become honest respected members of society and the newly poor would conive,steal and backstab to survive..

And I think ...

The newly rich would piss it all against the wall. Or spend it all within six months ... and be back on the benefit again ... just like a few Lotto ... winners (??) did ... and the newly poor, will get off their asses ... AGAIN ... and start making money ... again ...

Simple really ...
The coniving, stealing, and backstabbing ... will be done by the family members of the newly rich ...

What we need in this country is one hundred percent employment..

The opportunity for that exists now ... all those that WANT a job, can get off their ass and apply for work they CAN do ... not just jobs they think they SHOULD be doing .... or might be able to do ... if the money was right ...

Everyone has the right to work. We need to cut profits and raise wages. Create jobs and train people for them. And stop bringing in imigrants to do the menial jobs for pay less than the dole. Surely this is achievable in the twentyfirst century in Godzone.

The "right" to work already exists ... but that right is often confused with mistaken belief ... their "right" to work, is more important than everybody (ANYBODY) elses ...

Those "menial jobs for pay less than the dole" are more often than not ... work paid on contract rates. (the more you do ... the more you get paid.)
Work I myself have done on many occasions ... sometimes well, sometimes not.

Work hard-get paid well.
Fuck around-Get less than the Dole.

Oh ... and your theory "We need to cut profits and raise wages" ... if you cut profits ... the employer makes less money ... can't afford to pay wages ... AND ... stay IN business ... and goes OUT of business ... mmmmm ... a tiny flaw in your plan appears ...

[mashman]

Work hard-get paid well.
Fuck around-Get less than the Dole.

... yeah, that's how it works.

Likewise. Also things like this: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...eign-fishermen

[Coolz]

There are not enough jobs for everyone.In Whangarei there are 50 jobs listed in the paper and on the net. There are probably another 50 unadvertised. There are 4000 unemployed in Whangarei,this is 6.9 of the workforce, about the same as the national average.

[FJRider]

There are not enough jobs for everyone.In Whangarei there are 50 jobs listed in the paper and on the net. There are probably another 50 unadvertised. There are 4000 unemployed in Whangarei,this is 6.9 of the workforce, about the same as the national average.

I would say a lot more than 50 unadvertised ... because those that DO advertise, get unindated with E. mailed 20 page CV's ... extolling the virtues of the long-term dole bludgers that send them.

To get a job ... Go out and knock on doors ... door by door.

Employers are looking for people that are willing to work, and make an effort to find work.

Second option is to move to where there IS work ... (I've done THAT a few times too ...)

[Coolz]

I would say a lot more than 50 unadvertised ... because those that DO advertise, get unindated with E. mailed 20 page CV's ... extolling the virtues of the long-term dole bludgers that send them.

To get a job ... Go out and knock on doors ... door by door.

Employers are looking for people that are willing to work, an make an effort to find work.

Second option is to move to where there IS work ... (I've done THAT a few times too ...)

Even if there were 500 unadvertised jobs itis not enough for 4000 unemployed. Why do you call those who apply online bludgers,I would have thought this term was for those who make no effort at all. You are right ,it is the proactive who find work, though I have noticed firms now putting up signs to discourage cold calling. My interest in this topic is not for myself but for my grandson who will be leaving school soon and his mum does not want him to leave the area to find work.

[scumdog]

There are not enough jobs for everyone.In Whangarei there are 50 jobs listed in the paper and on the net. There are probably another 50 unadvertised. There are 4000 unemployed in Whangarei,this is 6.9 of the workforce, about the same as the national average.

So why do so many chose to live there???

Sure as hell can't be for the job opportunities the place presents.

So it must be for the LACK of job opportunities eh...

[scumdog]

his mum does not want him to leave the area to find work.

Why not?

[FJRider]

Even if there were 500 unadvertised jobs it is not enough for 4000 unemployed.

So ... unless it's cheap to buy/rent ... but no work ... why do they stay ... ???

Why do you call those who apply online bludgers,I would have thought this term was for those who make no effort at all.

I would hardly call pushing a few keys on a computer keyboard ... effort ...

You are right ,it is the proactive who find work, though I have noticed firms now putting up signs to discourage cold calling. My interest in this topic is not for myself but for my grandson who will be leaving school soon and his mum does not want him to leave the area to find work.

Those firms putting the signs up are entitled to if they choose ... obviously/maybe ... they dont need more staff ...

Perhaps you tell your granson to stay in school, or go to university. Or ... get off his own ass ... and maybe (with the help of his school careers advisor) get an apprenticeship ...

And maybe ... get him to cut those apron strings ... his mother will live ... afterwards ...

[FJRider]

Why not?

Apron strings too thick to cut ....

or a mummys boy ...

[rainman]

Interesting points and I particularly agree with you regarding shifting environmental degradation to poorer countries while we enjoy the clean and green.

As for the above, how do we explain Norway, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Switzerland...and Australia?

Finland is an icebound spot of land at the top of the world and no rational person would pick it to have a strong economy. Switzerland is a mountainous land-locked country - they don't even have any shipping ports.

Couple of factors: good social policy in the case of the Scandies, and geography. They're all in the middle of Europe. Aussie has minerals, and more importantly decent social and labour policy, less wholesale adoption of the Friedmanite madness of the mid 80s. (In this regard, they're much smarter than us).

Or am I missing what it is you think needs explaining about them?

[Coolz]

The hardest thing to close is a mouth that always opens while the hardest thing to open is a mind that is firmly closed....eh smarty pants.

[Winston001]

Couple of factors: good social policy in the case of the Scandies, and geography. They're all in the middle of Europe. Aussie has minerals, and more importantly decent social and labour policy, less wholesale adoption of the Friedmanite madness of the mid 80s. (In this regard, they're much smarter than us).

Or am I missing what it is you think needs explaining about them?

Fair enough. So how do we explain the opposite end of the scale - Portugal, Ireland, Greece, and Spain? Those nations also have decent social policies and are part of the 500 million European market. Rationally they should be as wealthy as the Scandies.

I don't have an answer but one difference is culture. Is it possible that the Puritan work ethic is the fundamental value? And social and labour policies are secondary?

[BoristheBiter]

Couple of factors: good social policy in the case of the Scandies, and geography. They're all in the middle of Europe. Aussie has minerals, and more importantly decent social and labour policy, less wholesale adoption of the Friedmanite madness of the mid 80s. (In this regard, they're much smarter than us).

Or am I missing what it is you think needs explaining about them?

And what do you determine as good social policy?
Would you say Saudi Arabia has good social policy or like Aussie it is just mineral wealth?

Or is it we are such a small population we are effected by the littlest change in the world economy?

[jonbuoy]

... yeah, that's how it works.

Yup, they don't have to stay on fishing boats forever, get some seatime do their tickets and they can go work anywhere in the world and earn some serious money, that is if they can see long term and put some effort in.