Racing on roads

**Crasherfromwayback** · 24th October 2011, 17:50

Originally Posted by swbarnett

. Slowing down when you know a less skilled rider is trying to keep up, for example, is just common sense. However, should you not act (i.e. slow down in the example above) and the worst happens the only one responsible is the rider that pushed themselves too far.

Can't agree sorry. If it's common sense to slow up if you know this is happening (and I agree it absolutely is), why should you, the obviously more skilled and experienced rider not do your bit to save the lesser rider from possible injury/death?

**swbarnett** · 24th October 2011, 18:13

Originally Posted by Katman

Spoken like a true proponent of "Hey, nothing to do with me man".

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Can't agree sorry. If it's common sense to slow up if you know this is happening (and I agree it absolutely is), why should you, the obviously more skilled and experienced rider not do your bit to save the lesser rider from possible injury/death?

I agree that if there is something that you can do to correct an obviously bad situation you should (and I would). No problem there.

And, yes, if I found myself in this situation I would feel terrible and want to do anything to turn back the clock so I could prevent it.

However, this does not mean that somehow I am responsible for the arrogance and brovado of anyone I happen to be riding with.

To draw an analagy: I never learned to swim. Does that mean I am partly responsbile for a drowning because I was unable to dive in and save them? They got themselves in to trouble, I didn't throw them in the water. Conversly if I was dumb enough to jump in the deep end bacause my peers were taunting me for being a woose I only have myself to blame.

Noone is ultimately responsible for your decisions but yourself.

A judge recently proposed that friends of drunk drivers who failed to prevent them from driving be held legally culpable for any subsequent accident. Is this the sort of thing you're proposing?

**Katman** · 24th October 2011, 18:30

Originally Posted by swbarnett

To draw an analagy: I never learned to swim. Does that mean I am partly responsbile for a drowning because I was unable to dive in and save them? They got themselves in to trouble, I didn't throw them in the water. Conversly if I was dumb enough to jump in the deep end bacause my peers were taunting me for being a woose I only have myself to blame.

Sorry, but that's not a very good analogy.

If you can't swim there's not much that anyone could reasonably expect of you to resolve the problem.

Withdrawing yourself from a situation that is clearly descending into a "I'm faster than you" scenario is very much within your ability though.

**scumdog** · 24th October 2011, 18:34

Originally Posted by swbarnett

I agree that if there is something that you can do to correct an obviously bad situation you should (and I would). No problem there.

And, yes, if I found myself in this situation I would feel terrible and want to do anything to turn back the clock so I could prevent it.

However, this does not mean that somehow I am responsible for the arrogance and brovado of anyone I happen to be riding with.

To draw an analagy: I never learned to swim. Does that mean I am partly responsbile for a drowning because I was unable to dive in and save them? They got themselves in to trouble, I didn't throw them in the water. Conversly if I was dumb enough to jump in the deep end bacause my peers were taunting me for being a woose I only have myself to blame.

Noone is ultimately responsible for your decisions but yourself.

A judge recently proposed that friends of drunk drivers who failed to prevent them from driving be held legally culpable for any subsequent accident. Is this the sort of thing you're proposing?

Ya heard of mentoring???

**Reckless** · 24th October 2011, 18:37

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Can't agree sorry. If it's common sense to slow up if you know this is happening (and I agree it absolutely is), why should you, the obviously more skilled and experienced rider not do your bit to save the lesser rider from possible injury/death?

Agree 100%
Never more sensible words typed on KB!

Often do this specially if I guess that from the style or bravado of the other rider/s they will override.
They are not hard to spot as a general rule.
Like to ride with people not wait for them these days

PS an I got safety strips these days

**rossirep** · 24th October 2011, 18:49

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Because most pussies that ride like that are just that on a track. Not that you'd know.

wouldnt it be, if your fast on the road, you would also be fast on the track..?? i dont understand how you think fast road riders would be slow track riders..?? i would class myself as a ok road rider, and only been on the track a couple of times but im sure im not slow or a pussy when im on the track.. so how do you seem to know so much..??

**Crasherfromwayback** · 24th October 2011, 19:26

Originally Posted by rossirep

wouldnt it be, if your fast on the road, you would also be fast on the track..?? i dont understand how you think fast road riders would be slow track riders..?? i would class myself as a ok road rider, and only been on the track a couple of times but im sure im not slow or a pussy when im on the track.. so how do you seem to know so much..??

Most people that ride like cockheads on the road get from A to B faster simply because they take stupid fucking risks that any decent racer or ex racer with half a brain would never take. You know...passing on blind corners. Carving cars up and leaving everything too late. Taking wrong lines because they've got into the corner way too hot and aren't good enough to make it work.

Take them to a race track...where there are no limits other than your skill and nut sack size...and the very same 'street racers' all of a sudden ride like faggots. Because they're not actually good riders at all. Just fuckwits. What you may call "not slow or a pussy" on a racetrack is to certain people just that.

How do I know so much? Easy. I've luckily been around long enough to see first hand hundreds of examples of riders and racers both good and bad.

**scumdog** · 24th October 2011, 19:38

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Most people that ride like cockheads on the road get from A to B faster simply because they take stupid fucking risks that any decent racer or ex racer with half a brain would never take. You know...passing on blind corners. Carving cars up and leaving everything too late. Taking wrong lines because they've got into the corner way too hot and aren't good enough to make it work.

Take them to a race track...where there are no limits other than your skill and nut sack size...and the very same 'street racers' all of a sudden ride like faggots. Because they're not actually good riders at all. Just fuckwits. What you may call "not slow or a pussy" on a racetrack is to certain people just that.

How do I know so much? Easy. I've luckily been around long enough to see first hand hundreds of examples of riders and racers both good and bad.

Can't give more rep - so...Get into them Pete!

**Crasherfromwayback** · 24th October 2011, 19:40

Originally Posted by scumdog

Can't give more rep - so...Get into them Pete!

Hahaha...me neither! But thanks, I'm having a great old time.

**sharp2183** · 24th October 2011, 20:40

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Most people that ride like cockheads on the road get from A to B faster simply because they take stupid fucking risks that any decent racer or ex racer with half a brain would never take. You know...passing on blind corners. Carving cars up and leaving everything too late. Taking wrong lines because they've got into the corner way too hot and aren't good enough to make it work.

Take them to a race track...where there are no limits other than your skill and nut sack size...and the very same 'street racers' all of a sudden ride like faggots. Because they're not actually good riders at all. Just fuckwits. What you may call "not slow or a pussy" on a racetrack is to certain people just that.

How do I know so much? Easy. I've luckily been around long enough to see first hand hundreds of examples of riders and racers both good and bad.

So true! I'm a 'slow' track rider and I've set up next to first timers who are fast on the road who enter in the fast group. By the end of the day they are in my group or lower. Pays to be humble in that kind of scenario I'd say!

**carver** · 24th October 2011, 20:49

Originally Posted by TIBLE_90

I was thinking about how bikers who race on roads are somewhat responsible for creating a bad image of bikers, and stumbled across this video..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOGJq...eature=related

These guys are insane

...So I was just wondering how many people, if any, had come across anything like this here in New Zealand. I have seen a a few guys going somewhat speedy up and down 16, but nothing like this. I suppose they don't have tracks in Greece...

fuck yeah, i love it, just nailed a coro loop..blasted about 30+ cars today alone!

**swbarnett** · 24th October 2011, 20:58

Originally Posted by Katman

Withdrawing yourself from a situation that is clearly descending into a "I'm faster than you" scenario is very much within your ability though.

Couldn't agree more. This is not the point of contention. All I'm getting at is that although I may be able to influence another's decision I can't be held responsible for their decision.

I suppose it comes down to the idea of provocation. If someone is provoked toward a certain act (following a faster rider could, at a stretch, be considered to be provocation - certainly racing can) then the provoker certainly has not acted reasonably. However, the provokee is still wholly responsible for their decisions. Albeit tempered by the fact that we are human and not everyone has the strength to go against their peers (I've been an outsider all my life so I guess I find this easier than most).

Originally Posted by scumdog

Ya heard of mentoring???

That's a different situation all together. A mentor has accepted some of the responsibility ahead of time. What we're talking about (or at least I am) is a group of bikers that just happen to be riding together.