The youth...

[bogan]

Wtf Singapore, really?

Obviously there's reduced crime/tagging with a country that still uses caning and the death penalty as punishment. Not to mention the limited freedom of citizens and press.

Isn't the argument that we need to be harsher on the little shits perfectly exemplified by Singapore then?

[jazfender]

Isn't the argument that we need to be harsher on the little shits perfectly exemplified by Singapore then?

At the expense of other liberties? Don't think so. And keep in mind that 85% of Singaporeans live in state housing.

[bogan]

At the expense of other liberties? Don't think so. And keep in mind that 85% of Singaporeans live in state housing.

What it says is that harsher penalties work, we have to decide whether it is worth it, or whether there is a happier medium.

I think parents who do not raise their children to be able to cope with the society they live in (and take advantage of), either need to allow society to do some of the raising (no more wet bus ticket punishments), or go live somewhere they will not create a negative impact. Just saying oh its fine, kids will be kids, teenagers will be teenagers, delinquent adults will be delinquents..... doesn't really seem like its working does it?

[george formby]

I have a few customers in my shop who are delinquent little sh^ts, I grimaced when they first started coming in to watch gangsta crap on you tube. Never judge a book by it's cover though. A few times one or another has used more time than he can pay for & I have had to trust they will come back & pay. They have, every single time & most appreciatively too. A lot of them are constantly getting into trouble in our community but have never given me grief, I have never given them any either, helped them out if they need it, treat them with a bit of humour same as the rest of customers etc.
Overall kids are kids & only a very few will become criminals, the rest might not amount to f all but they will still have a bit of decency about them.

[SMOKEU]

Wtf Singapore, really?

Obviously there's reduced crime/tagging with a country that still uses caning and the death penalty as punishment. Not to mention the limited freedom of citizens and press.

I'm not saying I want to live in Singapore or that I agree with everything in their justice system, but we can learn a few things from them about criminal justice. If people are unable or unwilling to be a "good" member of society, then they should pay the consequences. I support caning and public shaming for offenders who commit crime time and time again because obviously our justice system isn't working if people are "allowed" to accumulate dozens of convictions.

[Headbanger]

You're comparing when you were young to now like it's the same age and same world.

Can you explain to me how life was different for an 18 year old in 1991 compared to now?

I'd be quite interested to know. How has the world changed?, what problems and situations exist now that didn't then?

[oneofsix]

Can you explain to me how life was different for an 18 year old in 1991 compared to now?

I'd be quite interested to know. How has the world changed?, what problems and situations exist now that didn't then?

the anti-smacking law

[george formby]

Can you explain to me how life was different for an 18 year old in 1991 compared to now?

I'd be quite interested to know. How has the world changed?, what problems and situations exist now that didn't then?

Good question. Essentially I think the divide between the haves & have not's is getting greater. An over simplification but true I feel.

[avgas]

Good question. Essentially I think the divide between the haves & have not's is getting greater. An over simplification but true I feel.

Disagree a bit here. The have and have nots are being driven by other stuff.

Wants have become needs.
I remember being a youngin in 91, problems still existed. But back then the have nots didn't eat or ate crap, didn't own a car, didn't own nice furniture.

Now the have nots eat small amounts of KFC and can't pay their cellphone bill and automatic payments for their hire purchases fail.
Never mind the fact that if they didn't have a cellphone or the fancy tv, new couch on HP..... didn't buy take out.......they could probably buy better food.

I used to know lots of solo-parents, unemployed etc in the early 90's. Most did not have car, or phone. Only the necessities. Good luck finding someone these days with that much will power.

[Flip]

Can you explain to me how life was different for an 18 year old in 1991 compared to now?

I'd be quite interested to know. How has the world changed?, what problems and situations exist now that didn't then?

The only difference is we were 20 years younger and our point of view was different, thats all. The problems were all the same.

[george formby]

Disagree a bit here. The have and have nots are being driven by other stuff.

Wants have become needs.
I remember being a youngin in 91, problems still existed. But back then the have nots didn't eat or ate crap, didn't own a car, didn't own nice furniture.

Now the have nots eat small amounts of KFC and can't pay their cellphone bill and automatic payments for their hire purchases fail.
Never mind the fact that if they didn't have a cellphone or the fancy tv, new couch on HP..... didn't buy take out.......they could probably buy better food.

I used to know lots of solo-parents, unemployed etc in the early 90's. Most did not have car, or phone. Only the necessities. Good luck finding someone these days with that much will power.

I kind of agree but view the difference as changes in society, well, in the ability to get stuff on tick. I often have locals come in, the parents of the yoof this thread started about, printing off forms to extend the money they can borrow from instant finance companies. That was unheard of 20 years ago in the UK. Consequently they are borrowing more at inflated rates just to make ends meet (or buy a set of alloys) driving the divide I was talking about. This is the example their kids are living by.
Sadly, talking to my customers they know exactly how far up shit creek they are but as you say lack the will power or wherewithal to turn things around.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Can you explain to me how life was different for an 18 year old in 1991 compared to now?

I'd be quite interested to know. How has the world changed?, what problems and situations exist now that didn't then?

The only difference is we were 20 years younger and our point of view was different, thats all. The problems were all the same.

I think things are different for sure. I was born in 1966. Kids now are exposed to far more violence via the telly and play station, and alcohol and drungs are far easier to get hold of too. The mixture is more often than not, not good. Add in the whole LA gang culture crap going on...and it's ugly. Uglier than when I was a badly behaved kid. I bent the odd letter box over, and when going through the whole 'punk scene' fought in public with skinheads and bogans as well as the first batch of 'street kids'. But it was a lot simpler back then I think.

[george formby]

I think things are different for sure. I was born in 1966. Kids now are exposed to far more violence via the telly and play staion, and alcohol and drungs are far easier to get hold of too. The mixture is more often than not, not good. Add in the whole LA gang culture crap going on...and it's ugly. Uglier than when I was a badly behaved kid. I bent the odd letter box over, and when going through the whole 'punk scene' fought in public with skinheads and bogans as well as the first batch of 'street kids'. But it was a lot simpler back then I think.

Yup, I was typical of that. Would never have dreamed of being tooled up though or mugging an oap. Any hoo. Where do you get your drungs from? Must be strong stuff.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yup, I was typical of that. Would never have dreamed of being tooled up though or mugging an oap. Any hoo. Where do you get your drungs from? Must be strong stuff.

Ditto. Only the odd street kid/skin head was packing a weapon back then, now it's most cunts. Drungs are far more dangerouser than drugs. Taste like shite (dung) though.

[Headbanger]

I think things are different for sure. I was born in 1966. Kids now are exposed to far more violence via the telly and play staion, and alcohol and drungs are far easier to get hold of too. The mixture is more often than not, not good. Add in the whole LA gang culture crap going on...and it's ugly. Uglier than when I was a badly behaved kid. I bent the odd letter box over, and when going through the whole 'punk scene' fought in public with skinheads and bogans as well as the first batch of 'street kids'. But it was a lot simpler back then I think.

hhhmmm, I was 17 in 1991, weapons, drugs, stabbings, shootings, there was a lot of blood spilled.

Alcohol, poor parenting, all weekend parties, artificial poverty, family bashing's,fights, gangs, suicide were all common in the neighbor hood. Hell, I had my throat slit when I was 15 at a party.

All that I can see that has changed is we have another generation even further entrenched in welfare, and the youth justice system makes it so there are no real world repercussions for any crime short of killing someone until you reach 18.

And a mentality that society is to blame for the actions of the individuals so must stay silent and be apologetic.


oh yeah, paint was easy to get.