The youth...

[Crasherfromwayback]

hhhmmm, I was 17 in 1991, weapons, drugs, stabbings, shootings, there was a lot of blood spilled.

Alcohol, poor parenting, all weekend parties, artificial poverty, family bashing's,fights, gangs, suicide were all common in the neighbor hood. Hell, I had my throat slit when I was 15 at a party.

All that I can see that has changed is we have another generation even further entrenched in welfare, and the youth justice system makes it so there are no real world repercussions for any crime short of killing someone until you reach 18.

And a mentality that society is to blame for the actions of the individuals so must stay silent and be apologetic.


oh yeah, paint was easy to get.

Ahhh...so you're a yoof too compared to me! I was 17 in 1983, and even from then to your time I reckon things changed a fair bit. Don't get me wrong, I think taggers etc need a good slap round the head, just as I did as a kid. And often I got one, and a swift kick up the arse.

From the time we banned caning at school, and banned smacking at home, we've had really serious 'issues' with respect and the serious lack of it.

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=jazfender;1130195964
Obviously there's reduced crime/tagging with a country that still uses caning and the death penalty as punishment..[/QUOTE]

You kinda say that like it's wrong......?

[scumdog]

Ahhh...so you're a yoof too compared to me! I was 17 in 1983, and even from then to your time I reckon things changed a fair bit. Don't get me wrong, I think taggers etc need a good slap round the head, just as I did as a kid. And often I got one, and a swift kick up the arse.

From the time we banned caning at school, and banned smacking at home, we've had really serious 'issues' with respect and the serious lack of it.

17 in 1969.

And there were way less stabbings/shootings/murders - hell the murders we DID get occupied the news for months.

And bugger all drugs of much strength was about.

[JimO]

17 in 1969.

And there were way less stabbings/shootings/murders - hell the murders we DID get occupied the news for months.

And bugger all drugs of much strength was about.

i remember when a stabbing in Auckland made the front page of the local paper here in Dunedin, now you would have to stab a busload of nuns to make page 2

[Smifffy]

Whether or not you tagged as a teenager makes no difference to my argument.

Nothing will make any difference to your argument, because your argument is invalid, and you will never admit it.

When this is pointed out to you, you always duck behind the cover of "it's different for other cultures" or "it's different for special people with xyz syndrome" or "it's different for poor dispossessed lesbian strippers" or some other puerile, pathetic, whiny excuse.

Stop it. It is different for everyone and hence it is not different at all. Everyone struggles in their own unique way, and respect for each others personal space and personal property is fundamental to those differences being respected.

If somebody can't respect the property that belongs to individuals, and society collectively, then they have no place in that society.

People can and do go without food regularly, particularly during rates month, just to make the rates payments that contribute to the upkeep of children's play parks and rubbish bins. Fat old white men were often to be seen spending their free time in public spaces working on public seating, gardens, pergolae and play equipment. How does the scribble shit in any way respect their efforts, or improve the appearance of the items?

Rates aren't just for the landed rich either, if you think the cost of rates isn't recovered in rent from tenants, then you're barking.

You, and indeed the scribblers are all wonderful, special people, I'm sure. That doesn't entitle any of you to special treatment.

I haven't seen that many fat old white men out building things for the community in recent years though. I wonder why that might be, don't you?

[Smifffy]

At the expense of other liberties? Don't think so. And keep in mind that 85% of Singaporeans live in state housing.

Not state housing as in the NZ model though. While the housing is built by the govt, in the main it is owned by the occupier (they buy the place from the govt).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_...g_in_Singapore

[Winston001]

You, and indeed the scribblers are all wonderful, special people, I'm sure. That doesn't entitle any of you to special treatment.

I haven't seen that many fat old white men out building things for the community in recent years though. I wonder why that might be, don't you?

Actually thats a good point. A lot of the parks around here including the public hospital have play equipment bought and built by Lions and Rotary Clubs. Which are fading away. And so are the community resources. Kinda sad.

[Winston001]

Yeah dude I meant literally, you walked over to those kids and detonated.

Fucking idiot.

Um...Yeah.... look. Headbanger doesn't need defending. But this is the internet. Our personas get skewed and exaggerated, hot words ensue.

I do know HB. He's a decent guy, lovely wife, great kids, intelligent......and silly enough to ride a bike like the rest of us.

Just sayin

[FJRider]

From the time we banned caning at school, and banned smacking at home, we've had really serious 'issues' with respect and the serious lack of it.

Maybe ... any issues with respect (or lack of ... ) in schools ... just issue the teachers with a Glock ... and just shoot the little fuckers ...

Ok ... a few kid's might die. BUT ... attitudes WILL change ... fast ...

And if police use the same method on those that FAIL the roadside breath test ... people might WALK home from the pub ...


Worth a try I reckon ...

[FROSTY:Me]

IMO what has gone wrong in our society is we have empowered kids way too much.
Ohh yea man I have the right to this and the right to that. Which indeed they do. But they haven't learned the responsibility that goes with those rights.
We have created a society where the young expect and demand respect but are not prepared to give it.
I strongly feel this is because of the simple fact that concequences for actions have been removed.
The cane,the ruler etc can't be used by teachers at school. The police cant kick said graffiti artists up the jackseat and drag em by the ear back to dad n mum. Dad and Mum can't slap the little sods around the backside and send em to bed with no dinner.
ALL of this despite the greenie leftie view isn't child abuse. its teaching respect.

And despite the fact that the "great experiment " has utterly failed.-Proven by a ZERO reduction in child assault (serious stuff not a smack on the backside)
We still carry on down this track.
FFS why not wake up to the fact that to spare the rod really is to spoil the child.
We are a small country -why not be a world LEADER not a world loser

[FJRider]

IMO what has gone wrong in our society is we have empowered kids way too much.
Ohh yea man I have the right to this and the right to that. Which indeed they do. But they haven't learned the responsibility that goes with those rights.
We have created a society where the young expect and demand respect but are not prepared to give it.
I strongly feel this is because of the simple fact that concequences for actions have been removed.
The cane,the ruler etc can't be used by teachers at school. The police cant kick said graffiti artists up the jackseat and drag em by the ear back to dad n mum. Dad and Mum can't slap the little sods around the backside and send em to bed with no dinner.
ALL of this despite the greenie leftie view isn't child abuse. its teaching respect.

And despite the fact that the "great experiment " has utterly failed.-Proven by a ZERO reduction in child assault (serious stuff not a smack on the backside)
We still carry on down this track.
FFS why not wake up to the fact that to spare the rod really is to spoil the child.
We are a small country -why not be a world LEADER not a world loser

To quote any kid ...

What ya gunna do about it mista ... ???

[bogan]

Actually thats a good point. A lot of the parks around here including the public hospital have play equipment bought and built by Lions and Rotary Clubs. Which are fading away. And so are the community resources. Kinda sad.

A large part of that must be all the liability and OSH hoops that need jumping through now. Old guys with chainsaws can't just turn up and make cool tree-huts for kids anymore. Indeed sad.

IMO what has gone wrong in our society is we have empowered kids way too much.
Ohh yea man I have the right to this and the right to that. Which indeed they do. But they haven't learned the responsibility that goes with those rights.
We have created a society where the young expect and demand respect but are not prepared to give it.
I strongly feel this is because of the simple fact that concequences for actions have been removed.
The cane,the ruler etc can't be used by teachers at school. The police cant kick said graffiti artists up the jackseat and drag em by the ear back to dad n mum. Dad and Mum can't slap the little sods around the backside and send em to bed with no dinner.
ALL of this despite the greenie leftie view isn't child abuse. its teaching respect.

And despite the fact that the "great experiment " has utterly failed.-Proven by a ZERO reduction in child assault (serious stuff not a smack on the backside)
We still carry on down this track.
FFS why not wake up to the fact that to spare the rod really is to spoil the child.
We are a small country -why not be a world LEADER not a world loser

This pretty much happened in my high school as I was going through it. In third form if you got lippy to older kids you would get a thrashing, in 7th form, younger kids got lippy and we had hell to pay if they even got stuck in a measly rubbish bin. Needless to say there were a lot more lippy little shits when I left.

[FROSTY:Me]

To quote any kid ...

What ya gunna do about it mista ... ???

Put simply I reckon it starts at home. My lads get their backsides slapped when its the APPROPRIATE punishment. They also get hugs etc when appropriate

[SMOKEU]

My old man used to be a high school teacher in South Africa, and he would beat the students with sticks if they misbehaved. He had "Mr black stick" and "Mr white stick". The students actually respected him as an authoritative figure, rather than just a silly teacher with no power like they do these days.

[FJRider]

Put simply I reckon it starts at home. My lads get their backsides slapped when its the APPROPRIATE punishment. They also get hugs etc when appropriate

In SOME homes ... they're lucky just to get fed ...