FYI - MOTO NZ impending RFP

[Madness]

I'd feel safer on the road wearing a gang patch than a hi-viz.

[Fatt Max]

Anyone that cannot see a fat bastard like me on the road is fucking blind and should not be driving

mark my words, it will be compulsory waving next.....

[davereid]

The levy was supposed to fund ACTUAL safety initiatives, not merely be blown on researching theories. ACC and the NZTA has just saved some of its research budget. Havent we spent our levy wisely, lucky I have never paid it.

[Kickaha]

You can bet your last dollar that this is heading us toward compulsory hi-viz.
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Why would we need hi vis when compulsory headlight use fixed all the problems with people not seeing us?

[nosebleed]

Just a heads up to those that don't do business with the big govt machine, could be a good initiative if not funded by a hi-vis vest manufacturer....


Services to Investigate and Report on Options to Improve Motorcyclist Visibility

General Information
The Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council (MSAC) (also known as MOTO NZ) oversees the operation of the programme of initiatives funded by the Motorcycle Safety Levy.

MSAC’s role is to identify initiatives to improve on-road motorcycling safety that generate a positive response from all road users and relevant authorities.

The MSAC wishes to notify potentially interested respondents that it will shortly release a Request for Proposal (RFP) to identify a suitably experienced supplier to undertake a project to investigate and report on options for improving motorcyclist visibility and conspicuity.

The services will be undertaken in a staged manner and may include:

• a literature review of likely effective interventions;
• validating (road testing) selected interventions for the New Zealand context (if required); and
• developing a business case for funding priority interventions.

So who are you, and how do you know all this?

Iirc StoneY was booted out of MSAC for using using Kiwbiker to inform bikers of what was going on.
What makes you above reproach?

Just asking.

[Brian d marge]

It's the old story - those that think they know, legislate.
For the rest of us, who DO know, it wouldn't matter how many lights we have on or what colour we wear. A bubble light on our helmet wouldn't help either. For us to be seen, the other party has to be looking.
These braindead SMIDSYs pull out on B-trains too...
Try as they might, TPTB can't legislate against stupidity.

here the trend is towards neon light on these scooter thing, they are lit up like Christmas trees.. some look good actually, saw one., black bike but chrome wheels, with red neon that came on when the wheel started to move, and when it braked
normally I don't like this sort of thing, but this looked good
oh btw they still get squashed by the funny I didn't see you brigade!!!
I'll stick to me defensive riding thank, its seems to worked so far......
stephen

[swbarnett]

And as the numbers dwindle it gets easier to pass more legislation because there's less of us to fight it.

The answer........?

1. Stop riding like twats.
2. Engage brain before riding.

This would certainly help.

However, a better solution is to just say 'fuck you' to any stupid git in power that tries to legislate away our freedoms for no good reason. If a good percentage of us did this (and I don't just mean bikers) we might just take back some of the power that's been stolen from us by those that are supposed to be serving us.

[awa355]

No thanks, I just paid my rego yesterday so I'm already down to my last dollar

That is one of the main problems with high vis legislation, it sends the wrong message. Car drivers should have a good look for us no matter what we wear, and we should never assume we have been seen based on what we are wearing. Don't forget there are many reasons why high vis is not a cure all, attached is some info.

What does 'Modulated headlight beams ' mean?

[davereid]

StoneY was booted out of MSAC for using using Kiwbiker to inform bikers of what was going on.

Stoney got the chop because he is a good buggar who would not toes the line. The kiwibiker thing was just a smokescreen.

The information published above is public. Its a request from MOTO NZ for replies. THEY published it.

[MSTRS:Me]

What does 'Modulated headlight beams ' mean?

They 'flicker' - bit like those red/white ones you see on treadlies.
Illegal on powered vehicles.

[CHOPPA]

hahahaha I hope they make Hi Viz compulsory!!

[swbarnett]

hahahaha I hope they make Hi Viz compulsory!!

Why?


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[MSTRS:Me]

hahahaha I hope they make Hi Viz compulsory!!

Why?

Indeed. I have just sent this submission to MotoNz. For all the good it'll do...

Please please please - don't go down the road of recommending hi-vis for riders.
I know that study after study appear to show it makes the wearer more visible. And that stats may appear to show this to be true.
However -

In the real world, voluntary wearers tend to be the more cautious type anyway, so would feature less in the accident stats with or without the hi-vis.

In the real world, we are surrounded by these day-glo colours already, and having become so used to seeing it, we don't. Or we associate its use with road workers, who are usually away from the direct path of vehicles and who also move slowly. The subliminal message to drivers is that a rider is moving slowly.

In the real world, many bikes prevent clear sight of a hi-vis vest - packs on backs or packracks, windscreens or the sportsbike crouch all block or limit it's visibility.

Still on the subject of visibility. A motorcycle does not appear, to a driver, to be moving because it's narrow profile resists triangulation and is also subject to motion camouflage depending on the background. The attempt to increase our visibility through always-on headlights has not been a resounding success (which I predicted in my submission to the Safer Journeys panel). A single light gives no indication of proximity or movement relative to the viewer. And with the increasing use of daytime lights on cars - well, you get the picture.

In the real world, rapid movement (or the perception if it) is what attracts attention. If the focus is on making motorcycles more visible, I suggest a close look at modulated headlights. The flicker they feature does get attention, due to the apparent movement. Although epileptics may not be so keen!

In summary, I suspect that any initiative to make us more visible will be doomed to failure. Drivers that pull out on B-Trains, that change lanes or open their door without looking, or simply believe they have plenty of room/time to enter that roundabout are not going to stop doing those things because riders have a hi-vis on.

Good luck finding what the real answer is...

[misterO]

I think that when a driver claims "I didn't see him" they are lying. It is just a way to shift responsibility away from their error. Do police really believe them? Imagine a breath test checkpoint- have you had anything to drink? "Yep- just two beers". Oh, OK, on your way then. I-didn't-see-him really means: I saw him but I just didn't care enough, or- I failed to look properly (but they'll never actually say THAT). Hi-Viz vests for riders will not fix driver carelessness.

[MrE_MaN]

So who are you, and how do you know all this?

Iirc StoneY was booted out of MSAC for using using Kiwbiker to inform bikers of what was going on.
What makes you above reproach?

Just asking.

Fair call; I am a long time lurker and nobody important in the grand scheme of things. The information posted comes direct from the GETS website (Government Electronic Tenders Service), where the Gubbermint goes to offer commercial opportunities to the market. This is public(ish) information, requiring signup to access but is available to any NZ company I believe.