Is John Key the man to lead NZ?

[BoristheBiter]

I actually this was the more important question.

http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/referendum.html

It shows that most are divided over this and I thought the most surprising was that if it did change that most want it to go back to FPP.

I guess that was just because it was top on the list.

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that was always going to happen, I reckon the only way National would have lost is if Key had come out as a crack dealing homosexual who beat his mother up and supported the Wallabies. We have another 3 years of weak and inept leadership right when we need courage and wisdom.

Fuck we're stupid.

Imagine electing a right wing government in a recession...they even forewarned us of the rogering we are about to receive

[BoristheBiter]

Imagine electing a right wing government in a recession...they even forewarned us of the rogering we are about to receive

Better than a left wing one ever.

[shrub]

Your too hard on yourself, I would have said slightly dim.

I'm not sure, I think we're still pretty stupid as a whole. On the clever side of the ledger we didn't give Act enough party votes to bring more than Banksy in, but the fine people of Epsom voted in a chimpanzee, so that kind of cancels that out. We also voted National back despite them having achieved almost nothing substantive in the last 3 years beyond doubling our sovereign debt. Their only answers to repaying that debt and "building a brighter future" is selling a number of assets, a strategy that makes almost no economic sense, combined with nebulous promises of "cutting government expenditure", another strategy that makes no economic sense.

What makes us stupid for voting them in is the fact that most of us don't want those assets sold and nobody has bothered asking how they're going to cut government expenditure. If John Key says "we will balance the books by 2014", we just accept he will, even though he has doubled our debt since 2008 and has no real plan to do said balancing act.

If I said "I will win the Isle of Mann in 2014, support me please" anyone with a brain would laugh and ask what i'd been smoking because at best I'm a mediocre rider with a slow bike, and I have no intentions of getting anything faster or likelihood of riding any better. A stupid person would say "sweet, here's $100,000 of sponsorship money".

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Better than a left wing one ever.

That remains to be seen - despite claims to the contrary we've never even a centre-left government here.

[Flip]

Yesterdays Presidential election was not really that interesting IMHO. When do we get to vote for our goverment?

Oh fucking great another 3 years Nick (lets sell ACC) Smith and Jerry (Fletchers monopoly) Brownly. The only winners from this election will be the BRT. The 1% thank the peasants of New Zealand for giving more power to the people in power.

[avgas]

and your solution is?

How about voting for ideas rather than people or lies?
Do we really need a "representative"..........according to this thread. No.

[mashman]

How about voting for ideas rather than people or lies?
Do we really need a "representative"..........according to this thread. No.

Nope, sorry, we'll be having none of that voting for ideas nonsense, get out and never come back again... next you be telling us we don't need a representative... holy mother of god you didn't

[Ocean1]

most of us don't want those assets sold

You're right, but I think you've misread the motive.

What does it say about how much we valued the alternative policy sets on offer?

[rainman]

I thought the most surprising was that if it did change that most want it to go back to FPP.

I guess that was just because it was top on the list.

I think it was also tactical; if the vote was for change, better MMP lost to something it could easily beat.

I'm not sure, I think we're still pretty stupid as a whole. On the clever side of the ledger we didn't give Act enough party votes to bring more than Banksy in, but the fine people of Epsom voted in a chimpanzee, so that kind of cancels that out. We also voted National back despite them having achieved almost nothing substantive in the last 3 years beyond doubling our sovereign debt. Their only answers to repaying that debt and "building a brighter future" is selling a number of assets, a strategy that makes almost no economic sense, combined with nebulous promises of "cutting government expenditure", another strategy that makes no economic sense.

What makes us stupid for voting them in is the fact that most of us don't want those assets sold and nobody has bothered asking how they're going to cut government expenditure. If John Key says "we will balance the books by 2014", we just accept he will, even though he has doubled our debt since 2008 and has no real plan to do said balancing act.

But he's that nice Mr Key and he was an investment wanker... surely he will manage the economy better?

The simple truth is 90% of NZ can't understand the various parties' plans and assess how realistic they are, and what they will cost financially and socially.

The Epsom thing pisses me off. Labour and the Greens shouldn't have even stood candidates, and the voters there who voted for them are morons. I wonder what they thought they were going to achieve? Had their vote gone to Goldsmith we could be rid of Act, finally. Ditto the Greens in Ohariu, although that's tougher, as Dunne, for all his weaknesses, is a worthier candidate than Banks.

Still, good result for the Greens. And as this is Kiwibiker, particular congratulations to Dave Clendon!

[Pussy]

Democracy is great, eh?
The majority of voting New Zealanders got the result they wanted.

[Headbanger]

The simple truth is 90% of NZ can't understand the various parties' plans and assess how realistic they are, and what they will cost financially and socially.

And 10% are delusional enough to think only they have the ability to comprehend the world around them, and the world can only be saved from its own stupidity if everyone else was exactly like them......

[SMOKEU]

Thanks to JK the fate of NZ is now sealed. The country is fucked.

[rainman]

Democracy is great, eh?
The majority of voting New Zealanders got the result they wanted.

Well, as the old saying goes, it beats the alternatives, and yes, I do think the result reflects the wishes of the nation, even if I don't agree with many of them.

And 10% are delusional enough to think only they have the ability to comprehend the world around them, and the world can only be saved from its own stupidity if everyone else was exactly like them......

I certainly don't want everyone else to be like me, hell no. But I've met enough apathetic dumbfucks in NZ to stick to my view that thinking ain't the national sport, and usually, based on experience, these people are conservative/right-wing. (Probably true in most places, to be fair, but this is where I live). There are smart righties and dumb lefties too - a good few in Epsom, f'rinstance - just not as many.

I make no apologies for being intelligent, passionate, opinionated and well-informed. Not everyone can be as awesome as me.

[Spearfish]

That remains to be seen - despite claims to the contrary we've never even a centre-left government here.

I thought the unemployed artists benefit labour introduced went some way to addressing the problem of not enough benefits or left wing leanings.

I think true left wing policies should include limiting CC ratings on bikes to say 600 CC and passing the expense of anything over that to those who don't have anything that big.
The top percenters who have worked hard and earned the money, not to mention the process of learning to ride and look after the machine are "rich pricks" in the left wing wealth redistribution model so they are to be punished! the bastards!

(insert a, fucken sarcastic, smiley here)