MotoGP 2012

[slowpoke]

Traction control? I'm with Kevin Schwantz.

Yep! I don't think Dean's comparison to F1 is very valid for MotoGP though. F1 had big problems with aero that stifled passing (hence the pissy lil' rear wing these days) and that's not really an issue for bikes.

Kev makes a good point regarding the safety issues but surely the 4strokes, especially the 1000cc, won't walk such a knife edge with the power delivery as the 2 strokes did? It'd be interesting to pull the plug on the TC for a test with a decent rider and hear their feedback.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Kev makes a good point regarding the safety issues but surely the 4strokes, especially the 1000cc, won't walk such a knife edge with the power delivery as the 2 strokes did? It'd be interesting to pull the plug on the TC for a test with a decent rider and hear their feedback.

I also think Kevin may've bounced on his head a few times too many. Regarding the so called 'safety' of traction control. I've seen pretty much as many highsides on the 800's as I did on the 500's. Yes that may well be the Bridgestones...but. It seems odd. The factories all want the electronics, yet bitch about the cost of racing in the class where most of the horrendous cost IS the electronics. Work that one out.

[Reckless]

One thing CRT may do is to give a young gun or two a chance to shine on the bigger bike in the premier class against the factory bikes.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2011/m...+honda+gresini

Bearing in mind Honda (or any other manufacturer) won't want there equipment to look slow either.

[Crasherfromwayback]

One thing CRT may do is to give a young gun or two a chance to shine on the bigger bike in the premier class against the factory bikes.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2011/m...+honda+gresini

Bearing in mind Honda (or any other manufacturer) won't want there equipment to look slow either.

Honda will be more than happy to have a production engined bike look way inferior to their full blown GP bike don't worry.

[denill]

One thing CRT may do is to give a young gun or two a chance to shine on the bigger bike in the premier class against the factory bikes.

Right. On another tack. I can't help thinking that the enigma that Tony Elias is, that it could be that he would shine on a CRT.

He was a delight to watch on his Moto 2 and it could be that his style could suit CRT?

[Reckless]

Honda will be more than happy to have a production engined bike look way inferior to their full blown GP bike don't worry.

Possibly crasher but Aprilia and BMW won't and Honda/Yamaha wont want to look sick against them mate!

These CRT machines are a little closer to production bikes than the full blown Moto Gp bike so doing badly in the CRT class might hurt sales more than doin badly in the Moto class? Who knows?

[denill]

Honda will be more than happy to have a production engined bike look way inferior to their full blown GP bike don't worry.

But - how would they like to see a Honda powered CRT that was not competitive?

[Crasherfromwayback]

But - how would they like to see a Honda powered CRT that was not competitive?

As long as it's seen to be competitive against the other CRT bikes I'm sure thay'll be happy enough. As said, doubt they'll worry in the slightest if it gets whipped by their own GP bike. In fact, I'm sure that's what they'd want. None of the factories want CRT.

[denill]

As long as it's seen to be competitive against the other CRT bikes I'm sure thay'll be happy enough.

And that may well be where CRT will succeed?

There will still be competition between factories, Just on a smaller (cheaper) scale.

[Reckless]

Right. On another tack. I can't help thinking that the enigma that Tony Elias is, that it could be that he would shine on a CRT.

He was a delight to watch on his Moto 2 and it could be that his style could suit CRT?

Denhil your thinking what I was when I started this. Here post 2

You could have a mix of the old guys fading out developing the chassis and engines and the young guns shooting for the top? Interesting

Imagine if one of these could beat the struggling Duc team? Rossi 2.5ish secs down .............

Crasher the factory teams ain't got a choice and if someone like BMW starts selling retail bikes, with a chassis developed/based on a winning CRT bike, that would be directly retail sales related. More so than a Moto GP bike off in the distance. There are more diverse hungrier factories now in CRT. Who knows what is goin to come out of the mix?

The thing that blows that out of the water is these fuckin tyres?? why the bloody hell they are designing whole bikes around tyres, should be the other way round surly?
I've had this thought for a while after a few of the teams over the 2011 season keep complaining about lack of front end feel and often said can't modify the bike to suit the tyre? Also the race that there was so much rubber down there was only one race line and no passing as a result.
All you here about is Chatter this, lack of front feel, tyre this, tyre that?? Then there's is the riders and teams that simply can't or don't have the money to change everything for the tyres sake instead of being able to change the tyre manufacturer therefore tyre construction to suit their bike?
Why are we designing whole bikes around tyres. Ain't that backwards! Seems to me there's more cost in the chassis changes than having more than one tyre manufacturer? I realise the intention one tyre manufacturer rule but it just seems tyres now play such a dominant role over everything or was the 2011 tyre simply a stuff up?

[denill]

Denhil your thinking what I was when I started this. Here post 2

It's easy to recognise a clever and intelligent person. It's when they agree with you.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I realise the intention one tyre manufacturer rule but it just seems tyres now play such a dominant role over everything or was the 2011 tyre simply a stuff up?

That's what you get when someone with as much clout as Rossi starts bitching and moaning about his Michelin's after they gave him how many titles? and such good service, only for him to jump ship 1/2 way through a season to go with Bridgestone.

I'm sure Michelin would've taken stock and come back better. Now look. Rules, rules and more rules. It's fucked the class, but I've still enjoyed the racing this year. And not just because Stoner blew everyone into the weeds.

[slowpoke]

Yep, would be great to see Elias on a CRT bike. Or Melandri? I reckon they'd offer a bit more than the likes of Edwards or De Puniet.

[slowpoke]

That's what you get when someone with as much clout as Rossi starts bitching and moaning about his Michelin's after they gave him how many titles? and such good service, only for him to jump ship 1/2 way through a season to go with Bridgestone.

I'm sure Michelin would've taken stock and come back better. Now look. Rules, rules and more rules. It's fucked the class, but I've still enjoyed the racing this year. And not just because Stoner blew everyone into the weeds.

Would you have done any different Pete? Michelin had plenty of time to catch up and didn't seem to be making any progress. That Rossi then went out and won on the Bridgies kinda proves his argument?

As for the tyre war I kinda like the fact that all the riders and teams are starting from the same base point: the point of contact with the road. There needs to be absolute equality in a few areas otherwise it just becomes farcical. If a tyre war is allowed, why not a fuel war? Or remove weight limits and see how light we can get these things? Etc etc. Just my opinion but tyres are one of the crucial areas that should be standardised to keep it a Rider's Championship.

Found a good pic of your boy for ya though mate, shows just how good Stoner and those Bridgestones are:

[Brian d marge]

the bridgies were a different Tyre , needing a different geometry , if you could get heat into them they were awesome , no heat , no feeling .....

Ride it like you stole it and save 2 pennies for the ferry man

Stephen