Congratulations 48%

[mashman]

You fucking rich pricks, give us all your money.

It's yours... as long as you share it with everyone else. I can trust you, Right

[mashman]

Who told you that......

"cannot spread" etc... and given the context I've never been so glad.

[Oscar]

Who told you that......

Yo momma....

[shrub]

Tell ya what...I'll try again.

If you're so unbelievably clever, and have all the correct answers to our fine countries woes, how 'bout you become a Politian, and sort this place out? Because otherwise...you seem to me, just another armchair expert. If National are so shit, so wrong...don't just sit there and moan about it...do something about it. Make a difference. And yeah yeah, you tried. You voted. But there aren't enough people that agree with you to make a difference that way, so you'll have to try harder. Or simply be...another sideline tossbag that thinks they're a lot smarter than they actually are.

Guess what, I am "doing something about it".

Rest of the post edited out as there is probably enough there to identify me and i don't want someone who is planning to pay me money to think "fuck, you're that wanker shrub from KB. You can stick your invoice where the sun don't shine"

[Crasherfromwayback]

Guess what, I am "doing something about it". I have been asked to put my hat in the ring for a candidacy in 2014, but I probably won't because I am too lazy to be a politician and there is some other stuff that is probably more important use of my time.

I am currently completing a masters degree in commerce, and that has involved a hell of a lot of research and analysis on top of several years studying my area of specialty. It has meant that I have been a contributing author to a number of studies, including 2 that were presented to parliamentary select committees in 2010 and 2011 and actually influenced policies passed by the National government. I have also had stuff I was involved in presented at international conferences and there are 3 companies in NZ, including one very big one that you probably deal with, that currently pay me to help them make the right decisions to stay competitive. I have also been asked to join an economic think tank that is developing ways to make NZ a richer country and the NZ operation of an international business consultancy company want me to join a team that will be advising companies on responding to what is probably the biggest trend hit business since IT. Only problem is it's in Auckland, and I don't think I can be arsed shifting.

Well I've gotta say that's impressive! My apologies.

[imdying]

I have been asked to put my hat in the ring for a candidacy in 2014

Don't, you'd be wasted there.

[SPman]

And, at the climate change talks in Durban.....

And we've already won a silver fossil of the day as a result:

The 2nd place Fossil goes to New Zealand for proposing the most Flexible Mechanism imaginable with no oversight or review. Bring on the wild west. They want to be able to use any market mechanisms they wish with absolutely no oversight or international review! There would be no way to ensure that the units from one mechanism have not been sold two or three times to another such mechanism. This would likely unleash a wild west carbon market with double or triple counting of offsets and a likely increase of greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere.

and

winning another Fossil of the Day:

New Zealand has been acting inconsistently in the KP negotiations. It has insisted that it could not constitutionally agree to provisional implementation of a second commitment period despite its internal policy stating that it can. Further, the Government formally announced on 30 November that interim Environment Minister Hon. Nick Smith would be attending COP-17, only to change its mind on 1 December. New Zealand has also blocked discussions on carry over, wanting enough carry over to fully cover five years’ worth of LULUCF emissions.
Ultimately, this series of events has led to other negotiators describing New Zealand as 'deliberately inconsistent' and 'problematic for a thousand reasons', with its 'extreme positions on a number of issues [making] it difficult to reach consensus on anything'.

Given that we pursue a mana-based foreign policy, that last paragraph is disastrous. The impressions we make at Durban of deceit and untrustworthiness will carry over to our other negotiations, and have consequences there. But National doesn't care about that; all they care about is shielding their polluting farmer friends for another few years, no matter what the cost to the rest of us.

at least we're consistent in international conferences these days..........

[mashman]

And, at the climate change talks in Durban.....

was just reading about that

Don't, you'd be wasted there.

Did someone say wasted... I'll do it.

[shrub]

at least we're consistent in international conferences these days..........

We're consistent in ignoring the future.

[Crasherfromwayback]

We're consistent in ignoring the future.

Regarding the whole climate change issue...do you not think the earth has and will always go through heating/cooling cycles on it's own, without our interference?

[shrub]

Regarding the whole climate change issue...do you not think the earth has and will always go through heating/cooling cycles on it's own, without our interference?

I know where you're going with this, and this is all I will write about it is one of those arguments that never goes anywhere on KB.

Yes, it has, many times and the current warming cycle has something in common with every warming cycle that has ever happened before - there is a cause. However what is interesting is that none of the independent variables that caused previous warming cycles are present sufficiently to cause the current warming. That means the current warming cycle is being caused by something that has never been recorded before, and by far the most likely cause is the huge increase in concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere due to human activity. Climate change deniers have been trying for years to find another cause, but most are either improbable or dependent on factors that aren't sufficiently present to have a causative influence.

Using a motorcycle analogy, I am riding my bike down the road and it starts to slow down. That has happened before, and is normally because I have (a) closed the throttle, (b) started applying the brakes or (c) come into a headwind or hill. None of those are happening and when I look at my tripmeter it shows 220 km. I reset it to zero when I gassed up a couple of hours ago and the range before I hit reserve is a bit over 200km, so the likely cause of me slowing down is that I have gone onto reserve. However if I was a fuel range denier I would try and argue that i had somehow acquired a pillion passenger because that also slows me down, or that "bikes often slow down, it's nothing to worry about so ignore it" or "you don't realise you're putting on the brakes because you aren't looking at your hand".

And that is the end of the discussion from me because I would rather expend my energy finding a solution than arguing with someone who won't change their opinion regardless of the robustness and validity of the arguments they're presented with.

[imdying]

Using a motorcycle analogy, I am riding my bike down the road and it starts to slow down. That has happened before, and is normally because I have (a) closed the throttle, (b) started applying the brakes or (c) come into a headwind or hill. None of those are happening and when I look at my tripmeter it shows 220 km. I reset it to zero when I gassed up a couple of hours ago and the range before I hit reserve is a bit over 200km, so the likely cause of me slowing down is that I have gone onto reserve. However if I was a fuel range denier I would try and argue that i had somehow acquired a pillion passenger because that also slows me down, or that "bikes often slow down, it's nothing to worry about so ignore it" or "you don't realise you're putting on the brakes because you aren't looking at your hand".

The planet is like that bike, just getting old.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I know where you're going with this, and this is all I will write about it is one of those arguments that never goes anywhere on KB.

Yes, it has, many times and the current warming cycle has something in common with every warming cycle that has ever happened before - there is a cause. However what is interesting is that none of the independent variables that caused previous warming cycles are present sufficiently to cause the current warming. That means the current warming cycle is being caused by something that has never been recorded before, and by far the most likely cause is the huge increase in concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere due to human activity. Climate change deniers have been trying for years to find another cause, but most are either improbable or dependent on factors that aren't sufficiently present to have a causative influence.


And that is the end of the discussion from me because I would rather expend my energy finding a solution than arguing with someone who won't change their opinion regardless of the robustness and validity of the arguments they're presented with.

Funnily enough I'm not about to argue with that. Thanks.

[Headbanger]

Guess what, I am "doing something about it".

Rest of the post edited out as there is probably enough there to identify me and i don't want someone who is planning to pay me money to think "fuck, you're that wanker shrub from KB. You can stick your invoice where the sun don't shine"

Yeah, we don't like you're kind around here, with all your facts, insights, education, experience, advanced capabilities, understanding and high level knowledge.

You hear?

No sir, Folks around here don't understand that sort of carry on.



Look, over there, a bear, someone poke it with a stick.

[Robert Taylor]

Regarding the whole climate change issue...do you not think the earth has and will always go through heating/cooling cycles on it's own, without our interference?

Has anyone thought that the thermostat on the sun might be faulty?