Kerry Dukic v Robert Taylor shoot off

[husaberg]

personally I prefer threads that are largely informative and educational. And that is not said to invite stupid comments.

This is still KB isn't it.
You don't actually need to invite the stupid comments they always end up gatecrashing the threads anyway.

That said. I kind get what the thread was about and while i can't really form an balanced judgement to what has happened. without both sides of the story i get an idea what has occurred. Which is more than a little sad really. But a name is just a name and a reputation is a little harder to purchase.



Re crazy's suggestion Below my money's on the Ugly guy. Yes he knows who he is.

Seriously the winner would be the one that ....er....finished first.

Real men always finish first just ask my lady.
ps Why are women such poor losers....They always act a little put out about it......



Do you still have anything to do with the 2 stokes Robert. I seem to recall you having one of the first Dynojets i can remember?

[crazy man]

ok who would win the race robert or dukic. l dont even know if they have even been on a bike in there life but l would say dukic would love to get one over robert but who knows robert maybe 10 times 500 gp champ before l know

[Robert Taylor]

ok who would win the race robert or dukic. l dont even know if they have even been on a bike in there life but l would say dukic would love to get one over robert but who knows robert maybe 10 times 500 gp champ before l know

Just fyi I have had a full motorcycle license since 1974 and through the 70s / 80s owned and rode a succession of large capacity road bikes. Several times a week I still do so, testing and optimising suspension upgrades that we have fitted.

[Robert Taylor]

I agree. While it is valuable to have top spec componentry, and that can make a huge difference, at the top level the differences are very subtley adjusted to the individual rider, hence why the technical expertise of the one setting the system up and the ability of the rider to provide good feedback is as vital or more so than the actual brand of componentry and that an individual rider can make one setup work for him while another would be slower on the same setup.

I was amazed at just how crucial tyres are and in particular getting them to wear consistently with changing track conditions. It could well have been debris on the tyres, but I would have thought it would have worn off by the time Craig came to a slippery end. His rear tyre, as I mentioned was billiard ball smooth on the left shoulder but scrubbed on the right. Marcus' rear tyre was chopping up on the right shoulder causing him to observe it was like riding on marbles but good on the left.

So while every little bit helps and having the best suspension set up is necessary and having the top spec componentry also helps, in the end it is down to the rider to get the best out of it and so much can go wrong that the fastest and best set up bike and rider may lose or come second due to the variables of tyre performance over the course of a race. Witness Stroudy's problem in race two, where he could have fought side by side with Robbie for the lead. He had the engine and suspension, not to mention the skill, to match anyone.

Observing the races, there was really nothing in it engine-wise between the top four or five but Nick ran off under brakes and Craig lay down. Andrew backed off a bit doing just enough to preserve second and Robbie just stormed around seemingly with pace unabated.

Of note is that the track temperatures through race day actually suited the Dunlops very best, and thats a big turnround because the last couple of National rounds and as I recall Tri Series rounds had much higher temps that best suit the Pirelli / Metzeler tyres. All credit to Robbie, he has come out of the blocks firing. We also built Robbies suspension front and rear and in fact his race shock was rebled on our vacuum bleeder prior to the second race as there was a concern that there was a little bit of unwanted air in it from hand bleeding. Excessive air in the oil helps to induce fade and introduces more unwanted hysterisis.
Both Robbie and Andrew were constantly under the lap record in the 3s.

[Robert Taylor]

This is still KB isn't it.
You don't actually need to invite the stupid comments they always end up gatecrashing the threads anyway.

That said. I kind get what the thread was about and while i can't really form an balanced judgement to what has happened. without both sides of the story i get an idea what has occurred. Which is more than a little sad really. But a name is just a name and a reputation is a little harder to purchase.



Do you still have anything to do with the 2 stokes. I seem to recall you having one of the first Dynojets i can remember?

2 stroke grinding and tuning is now very much a distant memory and I probably inhaled too much aluminium dust! Chris Osbourne now owns my old Dynojet dyno which had the honour of being much more 2 stroke focused than the ''half time'' engines we now suffer!

[Robert Taylor]

Have you tried http://dnc.org.nz/story/drs-home

good for dealing with childish behaviour like that.

Confirms my suspicions as to why I would never do business with someone like that.

The silly thing is that we were going to change our name anyway, given that our two sister companies were too similiar in name, creating confusion. Especially with dealers. So registraion by another party was a waste of money, to that party.
Of interest also is that after a very unsatisfactory experience with another party the YSS distributors have indicated a desire for us ( KSS ) to provide a leading service facility for that product. In the new year we will be getting up to speed with that.

[husaberg]

Chris Osbourne now owns my old Dynojet dyno which had the honour of being much more 2 stroke focused than the ''half time'' engines we now suffer!

Shame really because for what its worth if you added up the total pollution caused by all the 2 stroke competition engines ever used.
I bet it would add up to less pollution than a few overseas trips to Geneva to discuss how we can save the environment.
Or a couple of boat trips to Antarctica to save the Whales.

[ducatilover]

It aint going to happen sorry, we have been engaged in plenty of comparisons over the years and dont need to keep proving it.

In that case mate I am willing to accept a set of happy ZXR400h forks and some sort of rear shock to go in my ZZR600, I'll be happy to keep them free of charge being the great guy that I am

[Edbear]

In that case mate I am willing to accept a set of happy ZXR400h forks and some sort of rear shock to go in my ZZR600, I'll be happy to keep them free of charge being the great guy that I am

Your unselfish generosity is admirable, mate!

[Dodgy]

My god, what antics taking your domain name!!

[ducatilover]

Your unselfish generosity is admirable, mate!

I think of it as doing a favour I'm just such a great bloke. How about I take care of one of those batteries Ed? I'll cut you a great deal

[Edbear]

I think of it as doing a favour I'm just such a great bloke. How about I take care of one of those batteries Ed? I'll cut you a great deal

I'd love to take you up on your kind offer, mate, but I've been cut several times already...

[ducatilover]

I'd love to take you up on your kind offer, mate, but I've been cut several times already...

Fair enough.
I'll be buying a battery off you when the job situation starts winning again.
Can you PM me what you can offer, I want as compact as possible for a custom application, it's all ZZR600d ('91) gear. YT-12 I think is the Yuasa code?

[Edbear]

Fair enough.
I'll be buying a battery off you when the job situation starts winning again.
Can you PM me what you can offer, I want as compact as possible for a custom application, it's all ZZR600d ('91) gear. YT-12 I think is the Yuasa code?

Will do!

[cowpoos]

okay...I've been out of the in crowd for a awhile to be fair...but have dealt with both.

when I've had issuse's....tyre shear, excessive rear wheel slip,....[I] have at those two times talked too both as they we amicably working together at that stage....

Robert: ask more questions to decipher rider babble! ask more questions about other end of bike to decipher more rider babble.

Kerry: ask questions about what problem was....tell me how to counter that with smoother throttle application....because thats what he did when he rode 500 gp's [im not telling lies...and have found no record of him riding GP's ]....when that didn't work [probally because I thought he was full of shit]...he start telling me about when he was flying F16 intercepter fucking jet planes....so I knew he was full of shit....[disclaimer...a few people I know and are very talented swear by Kerry....but....he does not install confidence in me...I am not telling lies about what I have said....he is obviously a clever man...with a tounge that lets porkies roll of them]

so my conclusion....talk to Robert Taylor, Ray Clee, Kerry Dukic, Norm Cobb, dude from rotorua [that does WP], Red Fenton [CHCH]....and make your own decision....in my personal conclusion....fucken hard to go past Robert Taylor and Ray clee....[not dealt with Red fento or Norn Cobb]...the key is really comunication with the tuner...if you can tell them what you feel...rather than what you THINK YOU FEEL...it will go along way...and TRUST THEM to change what they think...feeling something...learning to feel something...is critical to communicating to them whats acctually wrong...learning the difference between you blaming your own bike for your short comings....will make a massive difference to what your suspension tuner can do to improve your bike....

and for the suspension tuners reading this...feel to a rider is gold....if you think they talking shit...give them better feel...and then decipher there babble