Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

**Bytor** · 15th December 2011, 09:37

Originally Posted by caspernz

The whole speeding ticket debate amuses me greatly, but as a professional truck driver I spend my worktime being amused by the motoring public anyhow.

On occasion I'll get passed several times by the same car or bike, usually in the same erratic or dangerous manner, only to find same car or bike at the next coffee shack or such. A little while goes by and then I come across a patrol car with the disco lights on having pulled same car or bike over....a wee toot of the horn usually elicits a familiar grin from the officer....there's the road code and then there's the code of the road....

Now I can't lay claim to being perfect as I've already been pinged for speeding on 3 occasions thus far, in 27 years and about 4 million kilometres on the road. I won't lie and say I don't find myself speeding on occasion, but growing up and taking responsibility for your own choices is obviously hard to take for some....let's not start on drink driving...

Speeding isn't the most dangerous thing on the road, but it's one of the easier things to measure and thus enforce. Tailgating, dangerous overtaking, failing to keep left being just three of the most common failings. Can't wait for us to have our drivercam installed, will make for good Youtube footage. Then again, bad driving is just something that 'other people' do isn't it?

By the way, I don't believe truck drivers as a group are anywhere near perfect. Loads of ratbags in our profession as well. From my perspective though, bikers as a group are the most risk tolerant group, so crying about speeding tickets, ACC, rego and such...tough! We as a group need to improve our behaviour on public roads before we'll be taken seriously....

Dude that contains far too much common sense for KB

Katman's going to love you for that last paragraph

**caspernz** · 15th December 2011, 10:00

Originally Posted by Bytor

Dude that contains far too much common sense for KB

Katman's going to love you for that last paragraph

Haha, well the trick to growing up is knowing how to act in public....or in other words making people think you don't misbehave

**Reckless** · 15th December 2011, 13:20

Cant be bothered searching back through a long thread to find the post but the claim was a cop has to have a full 3 second lock for a ticket to be legal.

How do we get the traffic cops to show they have a full 3 second lock??
Is this done at the time of the ticket? Is there a lock time read out on the radar??

I'd guess this is a very common thing that is forgotten poss by both parties in most cases?

Thanks in advance

**caspernz** · 15th December 2011, 13:23

Originally Posted by Reckless

Cant be bothered searching back through a long thread to find the post but the claim was a cop has to have a full 3 second lock for a ticket to be legal.

How do we get the traffic cops to show they have a full 3 second lock??
Is this done at the time of the ticket? Is there a lock time read out on the radar??

I'd guess this is a very common thing that is forgotten poss by both parties in most cases?

Thanks in advance

The other thingee was that you can ask to see the display which shows the speed you were supposedly clocked at.

In the end, you'll know when you've been done fairly or not, technicality aside.

**FJRider** · 15th December 2011, 13:30

Originally Posted by caspernz

The other thingee was that you can ask to see the display which shows the speed you were supposedly clocked at.

In the end, you'll know when you've been done fairly or not, technicality aside.

I think half a second of constant speed can get a lock on ... thats all thats needed ...

If the speed showing on the dial had NOT been reset since it was locked on ... who is to say it was YOU ... or someone ELSE ...

**Reckless** · 15th December 2011, 13:35

Originally Posted by caspernz

The other thingee was that you can ask to see the display which shows the speed you were supposedly clocked at.

In the end, you'll know when you've been done fairly or not, technicality aside.

Yeh standard practice I understand for you to ask for this?? But with the rear mounted radar and the new trend of pinging you no matter how much other traffic is around, the reliability on mirrors only to make sure its you, and your just not the most likely target, you don't know if its your speed in the first place?
There has been a few inferences in the last few posts about just issuing the ticket and letting the courts sort it out?

I just picked up this point and thought with a decent reaction time you could hit the brakes within the 3 seconds???

So how does the officer prove he got a genuine 3 second lock??

Which generates a second question if you speed is rapidly falling over that 3 seconds can the radar get a lock???

**vifferman** · 15th December 2011, 15:47

Originally Posted by FJRider

I think half a second of constant speed can get a lock on ... thats all thats needed ...

If the speed showing on the dial had NOT been reset since it was locked on ... who is to say it was YOU ... or someone ELSE ...

Hasn't there been some court cases over this, where a cop ticketed a whole lot of people on the same day for the same speed?

**scumdog** · 15th December 2011, 15:55

Originally Posted by Reckless

Cant be bothered searching back through a long thread to find the post but the claim was a cop has to have a full 3 second lock for a ticket to be legal.

How do we get the traffic cops to show they have a full 3 second lock??
Is this done at the time of the ticket? Is there a lock time read out on the radar??

I'd guess this is a very common thing that is forgotten poss by both parties in most cases?

Thanks in advance

It's as true as a cop can't give you a ticket if he's not wearing a hat

Or if you do over 150kph they have to call the chase off

Or if the cop doesn't have his blue and red lights turned on he can't speak to you on a traffic matter or give you a ticket.

Or if you've got the keys out of the ignition by the time the cop walks up to your car he can't do you for pissed driving....

The world and KB is full of urban lawyers with their urban myths...

My understanding is: A clear reading and tone and lock it on.

About the same amount of time it takes to change channels on the TV remote is all it takes in most cases.

**Reckless** · 15th December 2011, 16:11

Originally Posted by scumdog

It's as true as a cop can't give you a ticket if he's not wearing a hat

Or if you do over 150kph they have to call the chase off

Or if the cop doesn't have his blue and red lights turned on he can't speak to you on a traffic matter or give you a ticket.

Or if you've got the keys out of the ignition by the time the cop walks up to your car he can't do you for pissed driving....

The world and KB is full of urban lawyers with their urban myths...

My understanding is: A clear reading and tone and lock it on.

About the same amount of time it takes to change channels on the TV remote is all it takes in most cases.

Ok scummy cheers I wont respond to the first 5 lines of troll

Thanks for the answer! Thanks KB more bullshit then aye

No 3 second lock required

I'm interested though?
Will it still lock if your speed is decreasing fast and catch you at whatever your doing when the button is pressed by the officer?

**Jack Miller** · 15th December 2011, 22:41

Originally Posted by scumdog

My understanding is: A clear reading and tone and lock it on. About the same amount of time it takes to change channels on the TV remote is all it takes in most cases.

Keep thinking that Scumdog. The more Popo's think that's true the more tickets I can get off. For God's sake don't look up "Tracking History" in the manufacturer's user manual or research "Sweep" in the context of sloping bonnet lines & fairings.

**Jack Miller** · 15th December 2011, 22:43

Originally Posted by scumdog

Really?

I wish that was all it took..

It appears that Traffic Cops are even more miserable than I thought. Even no accidents won't make them happy?

**scumdog** · 16th December 2011, 05:16

Originally Posted by Jack Miller

Keep thinking that Scumdog. The more Popo's think that's true the more tickets I can get off. For God's sake don't look up "Tracking History" in the manufacturer's user manual or research "Sweep" in the context of sloping bonnet lines.

Down here we don't have constant Noddy Trains of traffic.

So it's easier to get a true reading - and quickly.

And I do so ONLY when there is no doubt as to which car it is - often it's the only one on the road.

I'll be the first to let you know if anybody ever challenges one of my ticket - it will be the first.

(BTW: It must be some wierd hobby to be out driving at a speed in excess of the posted limit, get stopped, have to wait while an ION is written out - then go through the rigmarole of defending it - then do it all over again a later date - possibly in a town 500km from home that you were passing through while on holiday. Me? I'll just stick to riding at a sedate pace, keeps life a bit simpler eh...ah well, whatever turns your crank...)

**Jantar** · 16th December 2011, 09:32

Originally Posted by Jack Miller

Keep thinking that Scumdog. The more Popo's think that's true the more tickets I can get off. For God's sake don't look up "Tracking History" in the manufacturer's user manual or research "Sweep" in the context of sloping bonnet lines.

I haven't read the manuals, but I DO know that "sweep" only affects Laser, not Radar.

**oneofsix** · 16th December 2011, 09:39

Originally Posted by scumdog

Me? I'll just stick to riding at a sedate pace, keeps life a bit simpler eh...ah well, whatever turns your crank...

yep well you do ride a HD tractor don't you? Makes it simpler to pottle along. My baby was complaining about the pace being too slow to keep the crank turning in the damp air this morning, choice was drop a cog or switch to the T2 lane even though it was 'open' and step up to 50 real rather than the 50 indicated on some cagers dial. Of course I chose to drop a cog.