Speeding tickets. Why the angst?

[Jack Miller]

It must be some wierd hobby to be out driving at a speed in excess of the posted limit, get stopped, have to wait while an ION is written out - then go through the rigmarole of defending it - then do it all over again a later date - possibly in a town 500km from home that you were passing through while on holiday. Me? I'll just stick to riding at a sedate pace, keeps life a bit simpler eh...ah well, whatever turns your crank...)

Good point, I've changed my mind. Popos should read the manuals and learn what is required to get a reading the manufacturer is prepared to back. That would stop them issuing a lot of tickets in the first place, many of those tickets not issued would be in passing lanes, which would suit me even better.

[scumdog]

which would suit me even better.

That's the story Jack - change the world to suit you!!

[rastuscat]

That's the story Jack - change the world to suit you!!

I recently checked my globe, and found that the world revolves around Jacko the Lad.

Haven't been on for a while, but I see things haven't changed. Jacko still banging on about his right to exceed the speed limit in passing lanes. My, maybe it's time I started to take him seriously.

Nah.

Donuts.

[rastuscat]

And I think it is that difference of opinion between you and the officer that creates the angst... worse still is even if he agrees it was not dangerous, but still books you anyway...and they wonder why they are losing respect!

If the speed was dangerous, you'd be charged with driving at a dangerous speed.

Speeding tickets aren't about danger, they're about exceeding the limit. That's why it's called the limit. Imagine that.

Edit : Speeding tickets are about risk, just to clarify.

[rastuscat]

I think half a second of constant speed can get a lock on ... thats all thats needed ...

If the speed showing on the dial had NOT been reset since it was locked on ... who is to say it was YOU ... or someone ELSE ...

+1

Folk get all wound up about seeing the reading. What the policy says is that if it is available to show, then it should be shown. It doesn't say a single thing about it being mandatory.

I've had people frothing at the mouth about being shown the reading ("I know my rights, you can't write me a ticket if I haven't seen the reading............my best mate's second cousin is a law student, I know the law"), then they want to see the photo to prove it was them.

What;s to stop me from locking a speed on at, say, 62, early in the morning, then driving round all day dishing out tickets to anyone I decide to pick on for doing 62? Nothing at all. Except the fact that I don't have to make shit up, there are enough folk breaking the rules.

What stops me is that it's wrong, unnecessary, and wrong. Did I mention wrong?

[Scuba_Steve]

Speeding tickets aren't about danger, they're about exceeding the limit. That's why it's called the limit. Imagine that.

translated - "speeding tickets have nothing to do with safety, they're about money gathering. That's why people call it a scam. Imagine that "

[Scuba_Steve]

What stops me is that it's wrong, unnecessary, and wrong. Did I mention wrong?

So's the speed scam but you still participate in that don't you???

[rastuscat]

Keep thinking that Scumdog. The more Popo's think that's true the more tickets I can get off. For God's sake don't look up "Tracking History" in the manufacturer's user manual or research "Sweep" in the context of sloping bonnet lines & fairings.

Maybe that's the crux of it Jacko. Tracking history is something that doesn't get talked about often enough.

In training, the Popo manual requires the officer to learn how to estimate the speed of an oncoming or receding vehicle, before having the radar confirm it. Basically, the primary evidence in court is that the officer saw the vehicle being driven at excess speed, THEN had it confirmed by the radar. Stalkers, we are talking. Just like TR6s, KR10s, Hawks, Eagles, and lord know how many digitectors and truvelos. You have me reminiscing here.

What happens tho, is that there is too much reliance on the radar, with little thought given to the tracking history. Too much for my liking, anyway.

For example, I see a line of cars coming up the left lane of the opposing passing lane. I see a bike flying up the right hand of those two lanes. I see a reading of 123 on the radar. I turn and write the rider a ticket.

It makes an interesting conversation, when the rider tries to convince me it wasn't him. Thing is, I SAW him going faster than all the cars, so if he is telling me that one of the cars was doing 123, then he was going faster than that.

It's roadcraft, tracking history, and should get more attention than it does.

Still, the biker doing 123 would probably just claim the Jacko defence anyway, as his safety probably depended on him having to go that fast to be safe.

Yawn.

[rastuscat]

So's the speed scam but you still participate in that don't you???

Skoober !!!!! Still trawling.

I didn't say the speed thing is a scam. Me and my troops try to reduce harm in intersection crashes. Crashes at lower speeds are better than crashes at higher speeds.

I'm sure even you can understand that.

[Scuba_Steve]

Skoober !!!!! Still trawling.

I didn't say the speed thing is a scam. Me and my troops try to reduce harm in intersection crashes. Crashes at lower speeds are better than crashes at higher speeds.

I'm sure even you can understand that.

No, I said the speed thing is a scam, cause it is!. No crash is better than a crash at slow speed & *you are less likely to have a crash if you are "speeding".

Intersection enforcement is a good thing, when it's people & not cameras so I hope you don't go getting replaced anytime soon.

*if you are a half decent driver in the 1st place & driving to conditions

[Max Preload]

The other thingee was that you can ask to see the display which shows the speed you were supposedly clocked at.

In the end, you'll know when you've been done fairly or not, technicality aside.

And they can refuse to show you... or say they didn't lock it because they don't have to and that they observed it... or even simply show you the speed that was locked on another vehicle.

[Max Preload]

For example, I see a line of cars coming up the left lane of the opposing passing lane. I see a bike flying up the right hand of those two lanes. I see a reading of 123 on the radar. I turn and write the rider a ticket.

Hopefully only if it's the FAST reading and doesn't match the TARGET speed... and you wait until the bike passes and verify the FAST reading has changed...

[SMOKEU]

Speeding tickets aren't about danger, they're about exceeding the limit. That's why it's called the limit. Imagine that.

It's about the fucking stupid government looking for another excuse to tax people even more.

[Jantar]

....What;s to stop me from locking a speed on at, say, 62, early in the morning, then driving round all day dishing out tickets to anyone I decide to pick on for doing 62? ....

The reason you can't do that is because a certain Alexandra cop has the copyright on that practice. (Although I did read a report in a motoring mag a couple of years ago that another cop was being investigated for the same practice.)

[rastuscat]

Hopefully only if it's the FAST reading and doesn't match the TARGET speed... and you wait until the bike passes and verify the FAST reading has changed...

Interesting clarification.

The Stalker in the cars in Chur Chur city have the old handpieces, the ones that can't lock the FAST display. The Highway guys have new handpieces, which can lock the FAST speed.