Ride safe. Bollox!

[Berries]

If, as it's looking, the toll is up then it's simply that we did not listen, or the tolerance was still too high and they bring it in again with a lower tolerance.

As far I as understand it 104km/h is zero tolerance to take account of the +/- 3% tolerance in the speed measuring equipment. So with 104 you could be doing between 101 and 107km/h. If they started enforcing at 100km/h then they would be picking up people doing 99km/h unless the gear was 100% accurate. I might be wrong.

[Maha]

If the road toll is lower, the revenue gathers take the credit. Bollix.

It is Bollox...I would like to hear the explaination as to why the road in 1973 was three times as high as this years road?
They either take credit or lay blame
Credit where credits due...the road users are the reason for the road toll (high or low) not the police.
The Police do not make the decision for any given road user.
The road user makes a decision...wheather it be right or wrong at the time, that decision alone can be the deciding factor on the road toll.

[Yow Ling]

As far I as understand it 104km/h is zero tolerance to take account of the +/- 3% tolerance in the speed measuring equipment. So with 104 you could be doing between 101 and 107km/h. If they started enforcing at 100km/h then they would be picking up people doing 99km/h unless the gear was 100% accurate. I might be wrong.

Yea maybe. I think the allowance given is for the tiny chance your speedo overreads. Somehow I doubt that the speed measuring equipment is up to 6% out, things have moved along since the 1970's

maybe bring a speedo test in as part of the WOF/COF to calm the fears of the accidental speeders, or buy a GPS and get your speed off that.

[blue rider]

.... why is it on the autobahn there is no speed limit!!!

because you are to go fast without delay from A to Z 100km + what ever

one takes the Bundesbahn if they are afraid of the Autobahn up to 120 km or

the Land Strasse if one has a thing for scenery and sightseeing up to 100 km depending



autobahn, i so miss it.....brummmm brummmm

[NONONO]

Revenue gathering is what it's all about, blatant revenue gathering.
On my way back from Napier (boxing day, when we were assured the police would be out in force enforcing the 4KPH "tolerance") I saw no cops the whole way Napier -Auckland. I did see a few on the other side but nothing heading north...and I was looking, as the Roadster is a mite hard to keep to 100KPH at the best of times (and I'm VERY aware that Triumph have not got the best digi read outs, either for fuel or speed).
On the way to work this morning, from central to Lambie Drive....5 police vehicles, 1 bike and 4 cars. The bike had someone pulled over and all 4 cars sitting with speed guns blazing.
Now cmon, yep it's the rider/driver who makes the decision, but on an almost empty motorway, at 7.30, how many probs is a guy doing 105 KPH causing?
Not blaming the police, they are after all just street level bureaucrats, but lets call this what it is..REVENUE GATHERING.
Has nothing to do with reducing the road toll. Just more Bollix.

[davebullet]

Head on crash = you're fucked. Doesn't matter what the speed limit tolerance is on the day.

I can count at least 3 of the fatality involving accidents to be head on crashes so far this holiday period.

It's been many years since I've seen an ad campaign targetting safe overtaking.

[Brian d marge]

It is Bollox...I would like to hear the explaination as to why the road in 1973 was three times as high as this years road?
They either take credit or lay blame
Credit where credits due...the road users are the reason for the road toll (high or low) not the police.
The Police do not make the decision for any given road user.
The road user makes a decision...wheather it be right or wrong at the time, that decision alone can be the deciding factor on the road toll.

as for the road toll, the design of cars and the design and wearing of seat belts were a major factor in the reduction of the toll

Stephen

[shrub]

That tolerance is the main reason I am staying off the road during the holiday season. I can ride whenever I want and i don't have to be anywhere, so I'm mostly staying home and drinking beer.

The tolerance has no impact on speed related crashes - a car is no more likely to crash at 105 kmh than 100 kmh or 111 kmh. The speed related crashes happen when people are going a shitload over the speed limit, not a smidgen over. If it really made such a difference and they were serious about saving lives, why have they not cut the speed limit to 90kmh, or even 80kmh? Better still, 4mph and have a man walking in front with a red flag.

[Top Cat]

Slow speed fuckers (70-80kph) give me the fuck fuck.
Following some female in a small car just before the Mamaku's...60-70kph...I couldn't get passed due to the traffic and double yellows.
Na mind. passing lane 2 K's away sign said...
Waiting waiting..where the fuck is it?......ok its here, on the gas and out I go and pass, only to have a fucking cop car loom into view at that very moment...I check the mirrors, his break lights are on, he pulls to the left and does a U turn..
FUCK!!....fuck it, all that bloody time following that bitch and now its going to turn sour.
Arse!...I decide to find a spot and pull over, nice wide shoulder bit on the left up ahead...good as spot as any.
I indicate and wait...dont want all that flashing light bullshit.
Ok, here they come...arse bitch I just passed, another car that was behind and... the Cop...they all drive by!...
Well Fuck! now behind all of them and we are at least 25-30 mins out of Rotorua!
Slow speed fuckers.

hahaha...fcukin love it dude..

[caspernz]

That tolerance is the main reason I am staying off the road during the holiday season. I can ride whenever I want and i don't have to be anywhere, so I'm mostly staying home and drinking beer.

Second that. Plus I find too many amateurs in/on vehicles that should have stayed at home too....in case I do have to go anywhere.

[trumpy]

Drivers are driving slower.

I drive my car using the cruise control a lot, have it set at 105ish on the speedo and i hardly ever get passed, but I pass a hell of a lot of cars and usually without having to accelerate at all. maybe switch the cc off until a passing opportunity arises and then switch it on again to get passed, but I reckon most drivers are driving in the low 90s.

I would tend to agree with you. I drive around 75,000ks a year (plus another 20,000ks+ on my bike) a lot of it using cruise control. Where I have to use main highways I set it to 105 indicated (102 true) and I very seldom get passed. The key to quick passage is not top speed but keeping speed as consistent as possible (including the twisty bits).

I rode down to Napier and back (plus a little play on some back roads, Coro be damned, you guys have some cool roads with bugger all cars down there!) a couple of days ago with most of the main highway part of the trip being being at 104KPH. I did not get passed by a single car but passed plenty (again be consistent).

[trumpy]

because you are to go fast without delay from A to Z 100km + what ever

one takes the Bundesbahn if they are afraid of the Autobahn up to 120 km or

the Land Strasse if one has a thing for scenery and sightseeing up to 100 km

Be interesting to see the road toll stats for each of those different roads. Can't remember the exact details now (and can't be bothered looking....) but I am sure that when both Montana and the Northern Territory instituted speed limits the road toll actually went up.
A couple of Psychologists did a bit of research on this and both concluded that when there is a limit in place then people try to drive to that limit whether they are "safe" at that speed or not. Many drivers interviewed would have felt more comfortable driving slower but felt "obliged" to keep up thus driving closer to the edge of their personal limits. Without a limit they had no "target" to aim for and drove within their own personal comfort zone. Has some logic about it.....

[Berries]

If it really made such a difference and they were serious about saving lives, why have they not cut the speed limit to 90kmh, or even 80kmh?

Don't worry, I'm sure you will see the speed limit reduced from 100km/h on quite a few roads in the near future.

A couple of Psychologists did a bit of research on this and both concluded that when there is a limit in place then people try to drive to that limit whether they are "safe" at that speed or not. Many drivers interviewed would have felt more comfortable driving slower but felt "obliged" to keep up thus driving closer to the edge of their personal limits. Without a limit they had no "target" to aim for and drove within their own personal comfort zone. Has some logic about it.....

This is one of the reasons I believe that putting signs up that had 100 written on them rather than the old black diagonal stripe over the white circle was a backwards step.

[BigAl]

I'm all for people driving at whatever speed they feel comfortable but when there is some ole codger doing 80k on the open road with a stream of vehicles behind with cops all over the place not pulling them up as I observed numerious times today, while in the cage.

Then this bullshit of pulling over slow drivers is just that...... bullshit.

Rant over.

[Smifffy]

They are saying that the last time the road toll was as low as the 2011 one was in 1952. The speed limit is higher now than it was in the majority of those intervening years. In that other thread about the cardboard number plates, the popo man actually said that the speed (150km/h iirc) wasn't the problem, it was the manner of driving that made the pursuit unsafe.


But speed kills.