HD has finally sorted the water cooling issue

[Crasherfromwayback]

Thats because AMF motorcycles (aka KAWASAKI) sorted out the evo engine just before it was sold back to HD

Hate to tell you this too mate...but an Evo is simply an aluminium top end on a Shovel, it was hardly a new engine. The twin cam is the first really new engine from HD in a very long time. It's a goodin too.

[bsasuper]

When HD went broke in the early 80's, it was purchased by kawasaki heavy industries through AMF, which at the time was actually owned by kawasaki heavy industries.HD was developing the evo engine but could not make it reliable.Kawasaki input through AMF motorcycles engineered the evo to make it work.Then the president of USA at the time Ronald Regan said its not on for the japs to own such an iconic american company, and a deal was struck to buy it back, with the new evo engine design of course, and the rest is history.............well a bit of history that most HD blokes deny.(dont get sore about, look how it changed HD)

[bsasuper]

Hate to tell you this too mate...but an Evo is simply an aluminium top end on a Shovel, it was hardly a new engine. The twin cam is the first really new engine from HD in a very long time. It's a goodin too.

Yep as I said, HD could not make it reliable.

[avgas]

When HD when broke in the early 80's, it was purchased by kawasaki heavy industries through AMF, which at the time was actually owned by kawasaki heavy industries.HD was developing the evo engine but could not make it reliable.Kawasaki input through AMF motorcycles engineered the evo to make it work.Then the president of USA at the time Ronald Regan said its not on for the japs to own such an iconic american company, and a deal was struck to buy it back, with the new evo engine design of course, and the rest is history.............well a bit of history that most HD blokes deny.

HD broke in 60's.......then bought and owned, and run buy AMF (which have nothing to do with KHI....and never have). Many people did not like the way AMF ran things because the bikes stayed the same and all they did was cut the work force.
HD was sold back to this workers/investors in 81.
Reagan did not save Harley by getting "it off the japs". He saved it by slapping 45% tax on all jap bikes over 700cc. Thus killing their competition. In 1983.....after it was owned by the worker/investors who took over in 81.

What next? your going to say the Area 51 crashed ship was Fuji Heavy Industries. Please check your history books before doing this again.

[Crasherfromwayback]

When HD went broke in the early 80's, it was purchased by kawasaki heavy industries through AMF, which at the time was actually owned by kawasaki heavy industries.HD was developing the evo engine but could not make it reliable.Kawasaki input through AMF motorcycles engineered the evo to make it work.Then the president of USA at the time Ronald Regan said its not on for the japs to own such an iconic american company, and a deal was struck to buy it back, with the new evo engine design of course, and the rest is history.............well a bit of history that most HD blokes deny.(dont get sore about, look how it changed HD)

Yep as I said, HD could not make it reliable.

You're kidding yourself.

[bsasuper]

HD broke in 60's.......then bought and owned, and run buy AMF (which have nothing to do with KHI....and never have). Many people did not like the way AMF ran things because the bikes stayed the same and all they did was cut the work force.
HD was sold back to this workers/investors in 81.
Reagan did not save Harley by getting "it off the japs". He saved it by slapping 45% tax on all jap bikes over 700cc. Thus killing their competition. In 1983.....after it was owned by the worker/investors who took over in 81.

What next? your going to say the Area 51 crashed ship was Fuji Heavy Industries. Please check your history books before doing this again.

This is how most people react, but its how it happened.Just in case you do not understand, KHI purchased AMF motorcycles for a very brief time, just enough to fully develop the evo engine,( it was only a few months) before a deal was brokered which involved the input from the US government(keeping jobs etc).(KHI got it for peanuts, but sold it back for a fortune).Take it as you like,but as I said most HD buffs dont like to admit it.

Area 51 crashed ship? you've been watching to much TV!

[AD345]

This is how most people react, but its how it happened.Just in case you do not understand, KHI purchased AMF motorcycles for a very brief time, just enough to fully develop the evo engine,( it was only a few months) before a deal was brokered which involved the input from the US government(keeping jobs etc).(KHI got it for peanuts, but sold it back for a fortune).Take it as you like,but as I said most HD buffs dont like to admit it.

Is there some sort of supporting evidence for this?

[FJRider]

Is there some sort of supporting evidence for this?

Nope ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...ne_and_Foundry

[AD345]

Nope ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...ne_and_Foundry

That's what I thought

[FJRider]

That's what I thought

Might just be a secret ....

interesting reading here ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley-..._Motor_Company

[scumdog]

When HD went broke in the early 80's, it was purchased by kawasaki heavy industries through AMF, which at the time was actually owned by kawasaki heavy industries.HD was developing the evo engine but could not make it reliable.Kawasaki input through AMF motorcycles engineered the evo to make it work.Then the president of USA at the time Ronald Regan said its not on for the japs to own such an iconic american company, and a deal was struck to buy it back, with the new evo engine design of course, and the rest is history.............well a bit of history that most HD blokes deny.(dont get sore about, look how it changed HD)

Troll???

Or?????

[Drew]

Area 51 crashed ship? you've been watching to much TV!

Seems to be more reliable a source than where ever you get your info from.

[avgas]

This is how most people react, but its how it happened.Just in case you do not understand, KHI purchased AMF motorcycles for a very brief time, just enough to fully develop the evo engine,( it was only a few months) before a deal was brokered which involved the input from the US government(keeping jobs etc).(KHI got it for peanuts, but sold it back for a fortune).Take it as you like,but as I said most HD buffs dont like to admit it.

Just to keep helping you dig the hole.
If this really did happen. Then why did Harley turn down advice, input and support from the Japanese manufactures in the 80's?
Also if there was a buddy relationship, Why was parts outsourcing (in the 90's) put to South America and China rather than Japan as ever other American company did?

[popelli]

Hate to tell you this too mate...but an Evo is simply an aluminium top end on a Shovel, it was hardly a new engine. The twin cam is the first really new engine from HD in a very long time. It's a goodin too.

the evo was a lot more than a redesigned top end, it was a great step forward in quality control

as for the twin cam being a good engine, harley have made many changes to it over the years, the first of them were complete dogs that sheared off the bolts holding the cam gear arrangement in place

twin cam is also a disposable motor, chankshaft is not rebuildable and is a throw away item, the larger 110" motors twist the cranks, cam followers rundirect in the blocks so when these wear out the cases are scrap (I beleive the aftermarket have come up with oversize followers)

the 96 twin cam was alsmost a complete redesign of the 88"

one of the main problems with the twin cam was they went from drawing board to production in under 12 months, by comparison the evo was road tested for 2 years (the flt and fxr frames were designed for evo motors and were an inch or two taller than required for shovel motors because the evo motor was already in design stage)

the twin cam has been around for 12 years and had numerous changes, the evo had very few this speaks volumes about which was the better engine

[Crasherfromwayback]

as for the twin cam being a good engine, harley have made many changes to it over the years, the first of them were complete dogs that sheared off the bolts holding the cam gear arrangement in place

twin cam is also a disposable motor, chankshaft is not rebuildable and is a throw away item, the larger 110" motors twist the cranks, cam followers rundirect in the blocks so when these wear out the cases are scrap (I beleive the aftermarket have come up with oversize followers)

the 96 twin cam was alsmost a complete redesign of the 88"

one of the main problems with the twin cam was they went from drawing board to production in under 12 months, by comparison the evo was road tested for 2 years (the flt and fxr frames were designed for evo motors and were an inch or two taller than required for shovel motors because the evo motor was already in design stage)

the twin cam has been around for 12 years and had numerous changes, the evo had very few this speaks volumes about which was the better engine

Hate to tell you this...but you're talking utter shit.