Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

[Brian d marge]

If that intolerance stems from a belief that a section of society is costing the country way more than their numbers justify than the intolerance itself is entirely understandable.

Should we tolerate welfare bludgers?

Should we tolerate boy racers?

Should we tolerate P labs?

not going to retype all my posts on this
suffice to say, the technique of demonising groups to make the middle classes feel better is quite an old one
off top of hard you might find its the oldies that cost the money
Logan's run, I reckon

stephen

[NONONO]

So you're happy for sections of society to bleed the country dry?

And that's what you think we are doing is it? Grow up.

[Katman]

And that's what you think we are doing is it? Grow up.

I didn't say that, did I?

But if the powers that be decide to up the pressure on us again you can be damn sure that will be the picture they present of us to the general public.

The only way we can combat that is to have irrefutable proof of a reversal of our accident stats.

[Scuba_Steve]

So you're happy for sections of society to bleed the country dry?

the only ones "bleeding the country dry" is the Govt

So basically you're saying that we need to fight for the right to have as many accidents as we want regardless of the cost to the country.

Can you not see how fucked in the head that sort of thinking is?

It's that sort of thinking that has gotten us in the shit that we're currently facing.

why don't you head on down to an ANZAC parade next ANZAC day, jump on the mic & tell 'em all how "fucked up" fighting for freedom is. It's effectually what you saying here.

[Katman]

why don't you head on down to an ANZAC parade next ANZAC day, jump on the mic & tell 'em all how "fucked up" fighting for freedom is. It's effectually what you saying here.

Well they certainly didn't fight to protect a 'Fuck you Jack, I'm alright' attitude.

[Brian407]

28 pages, 411 posts and no one fucken person can agree on anything at all !! Y'all might as well pack up yer bat and ball and fuck off home, 'cause nuttins ever going to be achieved here.

Un-fucken-believable.

[Berries]

To be fair, the first post was on topic.

You seem to be forgetting that this is a public forum. Getting consensus on any serious subject is not going to happen.

[Virago]

28 pages, 411 posts and no one fucken person can agree on anything at all !! Y'all might as well pack up yer bat and ball and fuck off home, 'cause nuttins ever going to be achieved here.

Un-fucken-believable.

See? Even you can't agree...

[Conquiztador]

28 pages, 411 posts and no one fucken person can agree on anything at all !! Y'all might as well pack up yer bat and ball and fuck off home, 'cause nuttins ever going to be achieved here.

Un-fucken-believable.

I have to disagree with you! I have agreed with everything I have said on here!

[Scuba_Steve]

28 pages, 411 posts and no one fucken person can agree on anything at all !! Y'all might as well pack up yer bat and ball and fuck off home, 'cause nuttins ever going to be achieved here.

Un-fucken-believable.

Bullshit I think you'll find we all agree we like bikes & we all agree we like riding those bikes & we all agree we like KB for 1 reason or another thats 3 things right there we all agree on

But I think you'll actually find most here do agree on the main, it's just the finer we "disagree" on.
Like God religions, they all believe there is a god it just the finer points they argue on. This is human nature, we like to argue. So if your not willing to accept this maybee a public forum isn't where you should be???

[Brian407]

So if your not willing to accept this maybee a public forum isn't where you should be???

Ya aint fucken wrong there buddy, this is the most pathetic collection of wingers ad whiners i've ever encountered in my life. Sure your not all Poms?? Planes landed, engines are off, but there's still plenty of whining. God help us if one of you actually comes up with an idea, let alone a feasible one.

Half the fuckers on this thread are most of the reason we have the problem, and the rest of you are little more than a bunch of limp wristed hand wringers who have absolutely no fucken idea what to do about it.

Good luck with that, I'll take my battle to where it counts.

[nosebleed]

Ahhhh I think I've finally found it, I wasn't sure where to post anymore as there are so many individual threads with the same basic message, but if we're still looking for that single/common cause that will enable bikers and their organisations to be heard and taken seriously, then I suggest that this;

in germany ...where many moons ago i learned how to drive, we all had to sit in class for about 10 hours....1 hour over a period of 10 weeks and learn "theory". Only after completing these 10 hours could one attempt to sit the 'scratchy' test. not in front of a computer alone at an AA building, but together with all the fellow learners in a class room. A week later one was given their test results....at a cost of (memory fails) $ 45 (NZ Dollar used to be 1 to 1 with DM) and Test Cost of about a $100 it was not cheap to just sit your theory.

followed by the obligatory Red Cross First Aid course....$ 100

followed by (again Memory) 15 - 20 hours of Inner City driving
followed by 6 hours Motorway (it is scary going a 140 for the first time ever....!)
followed by 6 hours Night Driving

all these hours at a cost of $45, plus an extra $100+ for the practical test it was not cheap to get the "Schein" Lisence.

And the Lisence was on probation for 2 years, fuck up and start the whole procedure again. Kaching...

And the first things we heard in theory ........Defensive Driving.......Road Side Communication.....Courtesy......if you want to get somewhere for sure, take your time.....

Posted here;

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1130231983

...would fit the bill.

While Katman's point is valid, our reputation is based on generations of fuckwittery this isn't going to be undone overnight.
If our argument is that we want a more serious approach to driver licensing which includes everyone, even motorcyclists, then it'd be pretty ballsy politician that denies a hearing.

[Brett]

Almost as interesting as people like yourself who don't seem to give a fuck how high the toll is.

Is that really fair Katman?

[StoneY]

Is that really fair Katman?

He doesn't care about FAIR bro, he just wants to sound 'smart' and be inflammatory to those who HAVE done the work he is incapable of.

As on last page, he's an arrogant dickhead who slings shit at anyone who dares challenge his viewpoint.

Where the fuck are my infringements? Guess the mods don't feel he is worth infringing anyone over anymore.........

[riffer]

Where the fuck are my infringements? Guess the mods don't feel he is worth infringing anyone over anymore.........

Jees mate. Give them a break. It's only 0700!

Anyway, while you lot all argue, some of us are actually trying to put something together. I come on here looking for something from the public to spark my thought processes and all I get is wound up by the bickering.

Doesn't look like I'll get any input from you.

*sigh*