Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

[davereid]

He doesn't care about FAIR bro, he just wants to sound 'smart' and be inflammatory to those who HAVE done the work he is incapable of.

This thread has on;y two types of posters.

Those who have actually done something.

And those who think someone else should do something else.

[MSTRS:Me]

28 pages, 411 posts and no one fucken person can agree on anything at all !! Y'all might as well pack up yer bat and ball and fuck off home, 'cause nuttins ever going to be achieved here.

Un-fucken-believable.

Hmmm. Correct me if I'm wrong, but do I detect a bit of whining, negative defeatism in this post?

[MSTRS:Me]

This thread has on;y two types of posters.

Those who have actually done something.

And those who think someone else should do something else.

[yungatart]

28 pages, 411 posts and no one fucken person can agree on anything at all !! Y'all might as well pack up yer bat and ball and fuck off home, 'cause nuttins ever going to be achieved here.

Un-fucken-believable.

Actually, there is a heap of us who agree that you are a cock of the first order!

[Brian407]

Actually, there is a heap of us who agree that you are a cock of the first order!

Excellent, you have a consensus. Now convert that into something useful for your cause and you're halfway there.

Oh, and BTW, Good Luck with that.

[Maha]

Those who have actually done something. = approx 5,000
And those who think someone else should do something else... = approx 95,000

....and that gap still remains, has done for more than three years now.

[NONONO]

Ya aint fucken wrong there buddy, this is the most pathetic collection of wingers ad whiners i've ever encountered in my life. Sure your not all Poms?? Planes landed, engines are off, but there's still plenty of whining. God help us if one of you actually comes up with an idea, let alone a feasible one.

Half the fuckers on this thread are most of the reason we have the problem, and the rest of you are little more than a bunch of limp wristed hand wringers who have absolutely no fucken idea what to do about it.

Good luck with that, I'll take my battle to where it counts.

Whining about whining? Hmmmm.
Why not leave us a list of the topics we can discuss and we'll try and stick to it.
Oh, don't forget to check back often, just to make sure we stay on track eh?

[Virago]

Ya aint fucken wrong there buddy, this is the most pathetic collection of wingers ad whiners i've ever encountered in my life. Sure your not all Poms?? Planes landed, engines are off, but there's still plenty of whining. God help us if one of you actually comes up with an idea, let alone a feasible one.

Half the fuckers on this thread are most of the reason we have the problem, and the rest of you are little more than a bunch of limp wristed hand wringers who have absolutely no fucken idea what to do about it.

Good luck with that, I'll take my battle to where it counts.

So you keep saying, but you keep coming back to contribute more whining...?

[riffer]

So, us guys at BRONZ are reading screeds of information, studying reports and all the information that's available from the people that are gathering information.

We're responding to as many of these things as we can, giving up countless hours of my family time to try and get somewhere.

We are attending road safety committees and trying to work with the ACC folk in the face of some scary politics.

We're talking to politicians on both sides of the centre, we're talking to bikers, we're gathering as much info as we can. We're in constant communication with NZTA, ACC, Police, local authorities and other motorcycle representatives trying our hardest to build communication links and consensus.

Exactly what have YOU contributed Brian407, other than to point out that there's no-one doing anything?

I'm not going to stop working my arse off but I am getting a little bit fucked off with your pointing out that we're not doing enough for YOU.

[Brian407]

I'm not going to stop working my arse off but I am getting a little bit fucked off with your pointing out that we're not doing enough for YOU.

Get over yourself ya tosser. I dont actually have too much of a problem with what we've got, because I know that we (idiot riders and riding that is) largely bought it on ourselves. Like most, I dont like the rego fee, I dont like the hiviz idea, I dont like the looming speed restrictions, but unlike most here, I can see the inevitable, and can see the absolute waste of energy and time being put into protesting against it. It's fait acompli FFS, and all thats going on here is a bunch of blow hards beating their chests, and posturing about what form the next protest is gonna take.

Some of you may have already figured this out, but just in case you havent 'PROTESTS FROM MOTORCYCLISTS DONT FUCKEN WORK'. Nobody is going to take a protest from a section of society seen as the great unwashed, seriously.

If you want to gain any credibility with the general public, and start to change minds, stop focusing on the 'raw deal' you think you're getting and start focusing on cleaning up our behaviour on the roads, and be SEEN doing it. Start building a fence at the top of the cliff FFS and stop putting the ambulance at the bottom.

As for me, well I'm doing plenty, have been all along, (letters, emails, meetings, submissions, the list goes on) but my focus is on better, and compulsory, rider/driver training and harsher penalties for fucking it up. Untill the 'Evel Knieval' clowns amongst us are stomped on in a big way we're never going to get anywhere.

Anybody with half a brain knows this. The Police certianly know it, Andy Knackstead certianly knows it, ACC certianly know it, even NZTA know it, but the major fly in the ointment is the Farmers, and for that reason alone the government are scared to go too far with it. Federated Farmers are apposed to ANY initiative that will make it harder for farm boys to get a licence, and when Fed Farmers speak up the govt listens. It you want to make any REAL headway with licence issues, you got to get it past the Feds first or it's dead in the water.

The only real sense i've seen here so far is the dude with the post about licenses in Germany, (whole heartedly gets my support for that one), and the dude who mentioned that compulsory advanced training for ACC recipients, for drivers/riders in accidents would be a good idea deserves a medal as far as i'm concerned. That is the most practical and sensible thing I've heard for a very long time. So much so, that i've already had the discussion with several of the right people and made a number of submissions on the subject.

Watch this space, I'm told it might just work.

Malign and ridicule me as much a you like, i dont actually care. I'm perfectly happy in the knowledge that I AM stepping up and doing my bit, and i'm not relying on anyone else doing it for me.

In case any of you care to remember, the only reason i came here in the first place was to suggest that making submissions on the safer journeys document would be a good idea, and I got jumped on straight away. That told me in half a dozen posts about the general calibre of most people frequenting here, and fuck all since has caused me to change my mind.

So, NO Riffer, I'm not asking YOU what you are doing for me, didnt at the beginning and still not now, I'm doing it myself.

[NONONO]

You are a Kat person.

[Katman]

You are a Kat person.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[NONONO]

Only in the real world.
loled

[Scuba_Steve]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

only if your the 99%

[Berries]

As for me, well I'm doing plenty, have been all along, (letters, emails, meetings, submissions, the list goes on) but my focus is on better, and compulsory, rider/driver training and harsher penalties for fucking it up.

May I be the first to congratulate you on your success so far.

If you stopped going off on one for a minute you would find that many of the wankers on KB have been doing the same.