Safer Journeys for Motorcycling

[James Deuce]

I know you're a cynic from way back, James but honestly have you never seen they way the drive in Asia, India, Africa, Latin America the Middle east and Eastern Europe?

Yes. And you can't go comparing our style of regulated and controlled roads with countries where life is worth almost nothing and civilisation is some other countries with money buying primary produce and kitsch bullshit that you produce either as expensively or as cheaply as possible depending on how dependant the suckers are on your primary produce.

NZ is part of a European/North American tradition of highly regulated roads and roading systems with the car as the central construct of the ideal of personal freedom. Not a fucking scooter carrying 12 children and a chicken farm on roads where might makes right, and NZ's yearly road toll happens in an evening.

In that regard, Kiwis are the worst in the world. Absolutely fucking abysmal. The average Croatian looks like a highly skilled, very courteous well bred aristocrat compared to a bull-necked, nose picking, utterly oblivious New Zealand bred and taught mongrel. 5 minutes on a UK motorway taught me more about lane discipline than any driving instructor or relative, and 5 minutes on a French mountain pass taught me more about maintaining velocity while staying on your side of the road, in a low powered, faintly dodgy handling FIAT, than any driving instructor teaching me to mash the brakes in response to any and every hazard ever encountered by a 1976 Vauxhall Viva with an out of balance propshaft that came standard from the factory.

I can guarantee that I will be tailgated, cut up, bullied, and ignored, every single time I take to a NZ road. Have you ANY idea how disconcerting it is for 3 lanes of traffic on the North Circular, a main arterial for London, to stop to let you into a side street, WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO? I'd never seen any like it. Dense, dense congestion of the kind that makes Kiwis berserk and I got waved through. I sat there dribbling out of one corner of my mouth, while the chap closest to me gave me a friendly smile and a wave. The London-born mate in the car apologised for the chap's "obvious impatience".

After driving overseas for a year, the very first time I drove in Wellington a fuzzy haired dickhead leaps out of his car and smashes the rear windscreen of the car he was supposed to give way to.

We don't aspire to safe driving OR riding. We just sit on our ill-informed arses insisting that "someone" does "something" about "it".

Well now they are. Soon it will take six years to get a license, cost $40,000 and you'll lose it for exceeding 40 km/hr on the motorway. Motorcycles will be banned and people with a class 6 license will be incarcerated, just "because". Jaywalkers will be shot, and cyclists will have to replace their seat with a pink dildo that goes up their arse, so there's less chance of them falling off.

[Kickaha]

and cyclists will have to replace their seat with a pink dildo that goes up their arse, so there's less chance of them falling off.

You just convinced me to sell my MTB

[James Deuce]

Good. You'd just end up exercising anyway.

[trustme]

Yes. And you can't go comparing our style of regulated and controlled roads with countries where life is worth almost nothing and civilisation is some other countries with money buying primary produce and kitsch bullshit that you produce either as expensively or as cheaply as possible depending on how dependant the suckers are on your primary produce.

NZ is part of a European/North American tradition of highly regulated roads and roading systems with the car as the central construct of the ideal of personal freedom. Not a fucking scooter carrying 12 children and a chicken farm on roads where might makes right, and NZ's yearly road toll happens in an evening.

In that regard, Kiwis are the worst in the world. Absolutely fucking abysmal. The average Croatian looks like a highly skilled, very courteous well bred aristocrat compared to a bull-necked, nose picking, utterly oblivious New Zealand bred and taught mongrel. 5 minutes on a UK motorway taught me more about lane discipline than any driving instructor or relative, and 5 minutes on a French mountain pass taught me more about maintaining velocity while staying on your side of the road, in a low powered, faintly dodgy handling FIAT, than any driving instructor teaching me to mash the brakes in response to any and every hazard ever encountered by a 1976 Vauxhall Viva with an out of balance propshaft that came standard from the factory.

I can guarantee that I will be tailgated, cut up, bullied, and ignored, every single time I take to a NZ road. Have you ANY idea how disconcerting it is for 3 lanes of traffic on the North Circular, a main arterial for London, to stop to let you into a side street, WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO? I'd never seen any like it. Dense, dense congestion of the kind that makes Kiwis berserk and I got waved through. I sat there dribbling out of one corner of my mouth, while the chap closest to me gave me a friendly smile and a wave. The London-born mate in the car apologised for the chap's "obvious impatience".

After driving overseas for a year, the very first time I drove in Wellington a fuzzy haired dickhead leaps out of his car and smashes the rear windscreen of the car he was supposed to give way to.

We don't aspire to safe driving OR riding. We just sit on our ill-informed arses insisting that "someone" does "something" about "it".

Well now they are. Soon it will take six years to get a license, cost $40,000 and you'll lose it for exceeding 40 km/hr on the motorway. Motorcycles will be banned and people with a class 6 license will be incarcerated, just "because". Jaywalkers will be shot, and cyclists will have to replace their seat with a pink dildo that goes up their arse, so there's less chance of them falling off.

Nothing like a good rant , makes you feel so much better.

Pretty close to the mark, the fucktards are too dumb to see it

I'd like to think I live in a first world country, comparisons to the 3rd world !!!!

[StoneY]

Cool. So we don't have to listen to who you were, what you did, or why the others gave you the arse, any more then?

Alright fucktard.
This is the way you want it to play out, I'm happy to stoop to your pathetic levels of personal attack in public, and in fact in person if you ever have the guts to be in when I call past again. Your shop was conveniently closed when I last passed through Taupo....what a shame.

In the 2 years I prezided over BRONZ Wellington, NO ONE ever offered me their arse Steve, despite you constantly begging me to suck your cock on the bling page I just aint as fascinated with my own cock as you obviously are. It gets plenty of attention when I need to piss through it without it ever needing to go within 2 inches of your festered mouth.

Now, tell us Steve, other than asking me to suck your cock like you have been, what have YOU done for the folks on this forum bar abuse, accuse, berate them? Hmmmm?

Have you arranged any charity rides?
Visited any MP's?
Attended any meetings on how we can actually reduce our injuries as opposed to wanking off on Kiwibiker?
Did you attend the Forum of Motorcycle Clubs and make suggestions to them?
Have you made any submissions to ACC, NZTA, or asked MOTO NZ to fund your idea?
Do you have a local group that mentors new riders, negotiates discounted training courses, and lobbies councils for better facilities?
HAVE YOU done ANY of this yet Steve?
No...didnt think so.

YOU might think I waltzed around from press interview to press interview asshole, but those who KNOW me also know the truth of what we in BRONZ Wellington have achieved. they also know how much it cost me.
I CHOSE to vacate the leadership, due to my own personal life needing more attention than the motorcycle world needed.

It seems to me that YOU, Steve, are the only person with a hangup about the role I held the last two years. Get the fuck OVER IT you jealous, nasty, horrible little man.
That's the kicker for you aint it Steve, no one listens to you, no one likes what you have to say at all so no one comes to ask your opinion do they?


Wanna put your fucking mouth where your typing fingers keep begging to go? Coz I have had enough of your abuse, your bullshit, and the stench of your posts, the haranguing and attempts to belittle the work good people have done while you sit in Taupo, full of piss and vinegar while you DO NOTHING!
Just another drunken tard with access to the internet.


Step up Steve, show us you have some balls. Go on.
Meet me halfway, we could sell tickets and put a new wire rope barrier in your town with the proceeds.
Got the balls you gutless little creep?

[Clockwork]

Yes. And you can't go comparing our style of regulated and controlled roads with countries where life is worth almost nothing and civilisation is some other countries with money buying primary produce and kitsch bullshit that you produce either as expensively or as cheaply as possible depending on how dependant the suckers are on your primary produce.......

Phew....Big rant

Yes drivers in NZ are overly aggressive and discourteous, particularly during busy periods but I stand by my point. By the majority of the world standards things could be a whole lot worse.

I believe the root cause of that aggression is cultural and no amount of driver training is going to fix this. And harsh penalties and tougher licence conditions will not keep f'tards off the roads.

I was going to say more but TBH I can't be arsed at the moment, I don't suppose anything more I can say stands much chance of penerating that blue funk that has bulit up around your feelings on this matter.

Peace


R

[Katman]

Nice rant Stoney.

The reality is that you were given the arse because a number of people saw you as a liability - someone whose sense of self-importance over-rode their ability to think before opening their mouth.

As for your threats - you remind me of that dpex character. He turned out to be full of piss and wind also.

[MSTRS:Me]

Not much we can do about them though.

Why not? You'd have as much chance of convincing MrAverageDriver to up his game, as you would any motorcyclist.
It's not his driving/riding that is the problem, he's a paragon of virtue and skill. No - it's all those other fuckers out there.

Phew....Big rant

Yep - and about time too.

It's the frustration talking.
Frustration that the message is being ignored.
The one that says "You can't sort everybody else's shit out. But you can sort your own shit. But you're all too blind and stupid to see that you have, and do, the same shit as those you are so keen to bag."

It's a bit like AA, really. The 12 steps. Where the first step is Recognising You Have A Problem. Until you accept that, you're never going to progress to the 2nd step, Doing Something About It.

[Clockwork]

It's a bit like AA, really. The 12 steps. Where the first step is Recognising You Have A Problem. Until you accept that, you're never going to progress to the 2nd step, Doing Something About It.

So you can see that I have a problem because of my denial (well known that denial is the first stage)

And what you're really saying is that "just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you!"

I cant really argue with that.

[oneofsix]

Why not? You'd have as much chance of convincing MrAverageDriver to up his game, as you would any motorcyclist.
It's not his driving/riding that is the problem, he's a paragon of virtue and skill. No - it's all those other fuckers out there.

Yep, like 90% of the other road users out there I am in the top 10% in terms of ability and even better when drunk.

[Katman]

Why not? You'd have as much chance of convincing MrAverageDriver to up his game, as you would any motorcyclist.

I don't know about that John.

MrAverageDriver doesn't have a lot of incentive to up his game.

Motorcyclists, on the other hand, have their own well-being and the future of Motorcycling to consider.

[MSTRS:Me]

So you can see that I have a problem because of my denial (well known that denial is the first stage)

No no cookie boy. Denial is part of the problem, not part of the solution...

And what you're really saying is that "just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you!"

They're not. Are they?

Yep, like 90% of the other road users out there I am in the top 10% in terms of ability and even better when drunk.

Oi, you. Shift over. You're making the top 10% too crowded for comfort...

[MSTRS:Me]

Actually, another thread got me thinking. About parallels.
The BDOTGNZA labour mightily to impart a knowledge and use of correct grammar. With as much success as those who espouse improvements to riding skill as it pertains to roadcraft.

Until the wilfully ignorant find themselves wanking a horse, they don't care about changing their deep-seated habit/s...

[Clockwork]

My Uncle Jack died a couple of years ago. I don't think he ever rode a horse.

[trustme]

This morning I was passed on the harbour bridge by a guy on a late model BMW 1300, the one with the Orangutan bum tail light. Rider was wearing helmet, gloves,short sleeve shirt,shorts, boat shoes. A ' Safer Journey ' begins with ATGATT . Wailing that individually we can't do anything is rubbish or would you rather ATGATT was enforced by legislation .

Don't start me on scooter riders & their gear.