It's soooooo unfair (sniffle)

[Edbear]

It happens Ed!

I got let off for speeding, while riding a 750cc on my restricted, with a pillion at about 1.??am

YOU TOO ???!!!! Heavens to Betsy! What with the one who let my wife off with a friendly advice/warning for exceeding the speed limit and not having her licence with her, there could be dozens or even dare I say it, hundreds of coppers who are using discretion in their job!

It's just not the KB way, guys!

[trustme]

Since this has degenerated into a group hug & purely in the interest of peace love & understanding. Can one of you guys tell me if doing a U turn at the traffic lights is legal. It drives me nuts and is becoming all too common in AK

[superman]

Since this has degenerated into a group hug & purely in the interest of peace love & understanding. Can one of you guys tell me if doing a U turn at the traffic lights is legal. It drives me nuts and is becoming all too common in AK

Quoting Monsieur RoadCode:
"Making a U-turn

You are normally allowed to make U-turns, as long as the road is clear in both directions and it is safe to do so. Make sure you have enough room to complete the turn and don't create a hazard for oncoming vehicles.
You aren't allowed to make U-turns if a 'No U-turn' sign is displayed."

Therefore perfectly legal. In AK there's some places where u-turns at signals are necessary given how busy traffic can be a safe right turn into a side street cannot be made, so you go to the next lights. Wait for a green right hander and do a u-turn so that you can perform a left hand turn into the side street required.

I've even seen U-Turn traffic lights around in this city.

[GrayWolf]

A legitimate question, MrsTsRsrsrsrsrsrsr.

You are indicating for the vehicle that you, as a human, may not have seen.

If you indicate from habit (just like if you stop at stop signs from habit) it actually won't matter if there is another vehicle there or not. They will see your indicator, even if you haven't seen them. Or in the case of a stop sign, if you stop from habit, you'll stop out of habit, and reduce the chance that there is a vehicle there that you didn't see. Like, you're going to see 99.99999% of them anyway, but you only have to get hit by one to make it onto our crash reports.

So may people hit things they didn't see. You may not be aware of that, but our office deals with the outcomes.

Human error causes most crashes, anecdotally. Of course, you may be so shit hot you're a perfect driver, so don't worry about it.

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Actualy this raises an interesting point of arguement.
I passed my tests in the UK. One of the differences in indicating requirement between the two countries is that here it is 'obligatory', in the UK you are required to 'assess' if indication is required. My thoughts on this are, rightly or wrongly in a legal sense:

1) If you are simply required to indicate for the vehicle you didnt see? Then it is cognitively encouraging you to not look subconsciously?
2) If you are required to assess the need? Then it will subcounsciously encourage you to be MORE observant in those situations.

It's like the driver at a roundabout who with no other traffic on it, still comes to a complete stop, then moves away instead of observing, assessing, slowing down, changing gear and entering the roundabout to exit, it's mainly a 'give way' not a complete stop situation.
Although thinking on it Rastus, knowing how 'polite' NZ drivers are, I think I prefer the stop and wait driver... it's safer

[FJRider]

Since this has degenerated into a group hug & purely in the interest of peace love & understanding. Can one of you guys tell me if doing a U turn at the traffic lights is legal. It drives me nuts and is becoming all too common in AK

As Superman has stated ... unless a sign specifically says NO U TURNS ... you can if it is safe to do so ...

Red light cameras on some intersections should be able to catch offenders ... and the ticket is in the mail ...

[FJRider]

... there could be dozens or even dare I say it, hundreds of coppers who are using discretion in their job!

It's just not the KB way, guys!

It's a sickness ... it must be stopped ...

The Revenue gathering MUST continue ... at ALL ... ummmmmm ... costs ???

[GrayWolf]

You're not one are you Brian?

It's a bit silly, I know a chap who has some beaut cars and has never reg'd a car in his life... he's never been caught and is also getting on in years.
Thankfully I have an uber beige shitheap and don't tend to get troubled at the nana speeds I go.

Exactly why I agree with the plate recognition ability. You play the numbers game and are 'betting' on the fact of being invisible will hide you from being stopped....
I own 3 bikes over 1000cc... one on hold 2 currently on the road, my partner has a car and a can am, so we wof/rego/insure 4 vehicles. The only reason anyone here is grizzling about 'loss or freedom/liberty/human rights... yada yada' is because they are one of the ones who ARE costing the rest of us more. Not just financialy, but image, (hooligan bikies, no regard for the law etc). Simple answer is? MAN THE FUCK UP. WOF/REGO your vehicles or ride a fucking bus! If you cant afford the rego? then how can you afford to run the bike (maintain it) properly!
I have no doubt I am going to get flamed for this.... and I really dont give a rats arse. I want to see compulsory insurance as well. It isnt about loss of freedom its about social responsibility.. which so many on here have fuck all of!

[GrayWolf]

Good boy



You tell me how wearing my seatbelt is going to save your life, his life, her life, or even my life (being in a van) maybee I'll consider wearing one..

I'll 'bite'..... in the event of a low speed (50kph for example) it will prevent you being 'launched' through your windscreen and visiting either the pavement or the occupants of the other vehicle. Satisfied?

[Brian407]

Exactly why I agree with the plate recognition ability. You play the numbers game and are 'betting' on the fact of being invisible will hide you from being stopped....
I own 3 bikes over 1000cc... one on hold 2 currently on the road, my partner has a car and a can am, so we wof/rego/insure 4 vehicles. The only reason anyone here is grizzling about 'loss or freedom/liberty/human rights... yada yada' is because they are one of the ones who ARE costing the rest of us more. Not just financialy, but image, (hooligan bikies, no regard for the law etc). Simple answer is? MAN THE FUCK UP. WOF/REGO your vehicles or ride a fucking bus! If you cant afford the rego? then how can you afford to run the bike (maintain it) properly!
I have no doubt I am going to get flamed for this.... and I really dont give a rats arse. I want to see compulsory insurance as well. It isnt about loss of freedom its about social responsibility.. which so many on here have fuck all of!

[davereid]

Exactly why I agree with the plate recognition ability.

I like it too.

A cop may notice that my 1985 BMW K100 is unlicenced and hasnt been for years.

An ANPR camera will just see a fully licensed TGB Moped, and wave me on.

Great idea I reckon.

[BMWST?]

Oh bullshit. When the law is blatantly, stupidly unfair, it is your duty as a citizen to disobey. I refer of course to ACC levy/registration, which is only a cash grab. I do see some justification for WOF and driver/rider licencing. So driver licence, sure, WOF, no problem, but you can stick your rego up your bum.

if you pay the actual rego part or even some of the acc levy but not all i will believe your argument.Do you?

[Scuba_Steve]

Exactly why I agree with the plate recognition ability. You play the numbers game and are 'betting' on the fact of being invisible will hide you from being stopped....
I own 3 bikes over 1000cc... one on hold 2 currently on the road, my partner has a car and a can am, so we wof/rego/insure 4 vehicles. The only reason anyone here is grizzling about 'loss or freedom/liberty/human rights... yada yada' is because they are one of the ones who ARE costing the rest of us more. Not just financialy, but image, (hooligan bikies, no regard for the law etc). Simple answer is? MAN THE FUCK UP. WOF/REGO your vehicles or ride a fucking bus! If you cant afford the rego? then how can you afford to run the bike (maintain it) properly!
I have no doubt I am going to get flamed for this.... and I really dont give a rats arse. I want to see compulsory insurance as well. It isnt about loss of freedom its about social responsibility.. which so many on here have fuck all of!

So because you like being financially screwed over everyone else should like it too??? and your argument "you can't afford to maintain your vehicle if you can't afford to register every single one & maintain them" thats like saying if you can afford 4 cars you can afford 8
& compulsory insurance just get full cover if your that worried, it's a fuckload cheaper

I'll 'bite'..... in the event of a low speed (50kph for example) it will prevent you being 'launched' through your windscreen and visiting either the pavement or the occupants of the other vehicle. Satisfied?

so in this 50km/h crash where the car would come through my vehicle & crush me (remember I said I drive a van, bout 1mm of steel between you & me) when exactly is the seatbelt going to save my life??? or does it have magic powers I am unaware of??? might as well have lap-belts on bikes they'd do just as good
On the flip side me LandRover where I'd happily wear a seatbelt it is illegal for me to do so, go figure

[Berg]

So because you like being financially screwed over everyone else should like it too??? and your argument "you can't afford to maintain your vehicle if you can't afford to register every single one & maintain them" thats like saying if you can afford 4 cars you can afford 8
& compulsory insurance just get full cover if your that worried, it's a fuckload cheaper



so in this 50km/h crash where the car would come through my vehicle & crush me (remember I said I drive a van, bout 1mm of steel between you & me) when exactly is the seatbelt going to save my life??? or does it have magic powers I am unaware of??? might as well have lap-belts on bikes they'd do just as good
On the flip side me LandRover where I'd happily wear a seatbelt it is illegal for me to do so, go figure

Having attended a fatal van crash where the driver (not wearing a seatbelt) was tossed part way through the side window only to have the van roll on him and crush him, I can see why a seatbelt works in a van. No serious damag done to the van. Of course, you might be the best driver in the world too so might never just slip off the side of the road.

[GrayWolf]

So because you like being financially screwed over everyone else should like it too???
I didnt say I ENJOY it, what I said was it is a legal requirement and if you want to be taken seriously, dont give TPTB ANY ammunition to make motoorcyclists in general 'look bad'... If 20% of riders refuse to Rego their bikes, do you THINK for one second the PTTB be will advertise 80% do? NO, they'll quote the X thousand who are thumbing their nose at them... GET IT?
and your argument "you can't afford to maintain your vehicle if you can't afford to register every single one & maintain them" thats like saying if you can afford 4 cars you can afford 8 HUH?? Can you explain your 'arguement' please? That doesnt make any logical sense.

& compulsory insurance just get full cover if your that worried, it's a fuckload cheaper Again HUH? how is full cover cheaper? even if there was a mandatory TP insurance, how the F**K do you work out it will be more expensive than a fully comprehensive cover?



so in this 50km/h crash where the car would come through my vehicle & crush me (remember I said I drive a van, bout 1mm of steel between you & me) when exactly is the seatbelt going to save my life??? or does it have magic powers I am unaware of??? might as well have lap-belts on bikes they'd do just as good
On the flip side me LandRover where I'd happily wear a seatbelt it is illegal for me to do so, go figure

Errrr I really dont have an answer fior that illogic.... sorry!

[davereid]

I can't imagine why anyone would want compulsory third party insurance.

(1) If you have 3rd party insurance in NZ, it includes first party cover.
If compulsory insurance comes in we will lose this neat system. And the number of people with insurance in NZs voluntary system is as high as in countries with compulsory cover.

(2) If you have 3rd party insurance in NZ, it includes first party cover.
So why worry about the other guys insurance ? If you have cover you are insured even if he is not.

(3) If you think the other chaps third party insurance will help you, you are likely to be mistaken. If he is drunk, outside the terms of his learner licence, curfew or carrying passengers, his insurance will not pay out.

(4) To get the same cover as you get now, you will have to buy comprehensive insurance, as we will lose the first party cover included in our current third party cover.

(5) You will NEVER get paid out without a court case. Litigatious specialist third party only insurers will arrive to turn the crap in cream by the simple method of disputing everything and find that even though THEIR client ran a red light, YOU failed to stop in half the distance of clear road, and therefore were also partially liable.

(6) You had better hope your insurerer doesnt go broke from an earthquake when you still have 40 years of care to be paid for after falling off and breaking your back hitting a wire rope barrrier, put there by the NZTA, who by law cannot be held liable.