Mini-motard for bucket racing?

[Drew]

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Maybe see if you can get a free sample like this?

Fuck that's cool!

[Henk]

Fuck that's cool!

Indeed it is, this is where someone with far too much knowledge pipes up and tells us it is a one off 19xx 50cc GP bike worth around the national debt.

[jasonu]

Are you still trying to get Dave naked?

It is not a case of trying. A couple of shots of chartrouse ususally does the trick...

[avgas]

can you name me anyone that has spent more than $5000 in a year of racing (about the price of a resonable road raceing pushbike and about the coast of tyres for the weekend for some realbikre racers)

Streetstock running Shinko's. Includes the cost of the bike and a set of rings.

[bucketracer]

No matter what bike shows up, if they get told to fuck off, make sure whoever does it can pick a specific rule as a reason.

It might come as a surprise but racing is not a right….

It doesn't matter how much MNZ likes you, its the organizers and stewards who get to decide who races, attitude as much as anything determines if you get to ride.

There is usually an ad hock group of experienced people at any race meet (whatever the class) that has the ear of the steward and organizers.

And if something about your bike is challenged, then it falls on the person presenting the bike to establish its eligibility.

If there is an objection, once the objectors have made their point to the organizer or steward and they take an interest, it won't be for the objector to prove you wrong, it will be you having to establish your right and your bike meets the rules, this can all be done informally but if it comes to it you will need to have some convincing evidence handy.

Sure if you don't like it you could push it through to MNZ and maybe even win there and make a few people eat dead rats, but remember, when making a prick of yourself, if the other guys don't want to ride with you, then nobody has to accept your entry at the next meeting, racing is not any ones right, your there because you have something positive to offer .......

[Drew]

It might come as a surprise but racing is not a right….

It doesn't matter how much MNZ likes you, its the organizers and stewards who get to decide who races, attitude as much as anything determines if you get to ride.

There is usually an ad hock group of experienced people at any race meet (whatever the class) that has the ear of the steward and organizers.

And if something on your bike is challenged on a technical point, then it falls on the person presenting the bike to establish its eligibility.

If there is an objection, once the objectors have made their point to the organizer or steward and they take an interest, it won't be for the objector to prove you wrong, it will be you having to establish your right and your bike meets the rules, this can all be done informally but if it comes to it you will need to have some convincing evidence handy.

Sure you could push it through to MNZ and maybe even win there and make a few people eat dead rats, but remember, when making a prick of yourself, if the other guys don't want to ride with you, then nobody has to accept your entry at the next meeting, racing is not a right .......

Discrimination is what you are describing there buddy, and we have books and books of law, making sure it doesn't happen. And should it happen, the discriminator gets a good case of the bum aids for his or her trouble.

But I digress, I am mearly playing devils advocate in this thread. A lot of guys post like they are speaking gospel, they could be wrong.

[bucketracer]

Nobody has to invite you to their party, show me the law that says you have an inalienable right to ride at whatever race meet you turn up to. If they don't want you they don't have to have you, automatic admission to any race meet is not your legal or even moral right.

Any particular rider is there because they have something to offer, for most of us thats our entry fee and a positive attatude. So is your attatude worth the $35 (entry fee at Mt Welly) to the organiser and the other riders the organiser enjoys having there.

Its the organizers right to have whom they like at their party and the stewards duty to ensure the party is run safely and in accordance with the governing body's rules.

I maintain, its the people who run the race meetings "Right to Choose" whom to dance with .....

Discrimination is what you are describing there buddy, and we have books and books of law, making sure it doesn't happen.

Not accepting an entry from someone behaving badly, you say its illegal "Discrimination" lets see if anyone else agrees with you.

[jasonu]

Discrimination is what you are describing there buddy, and we have books and books of law, making sure it doesn't happen. And should it happen, the discriminator gets a good case of the bum aids for his or her trouble.

But I digress, I am mearly playing devils advocate in this thread. A lot of guys post like they are speaking gospel, they could be wrong.

How is it descrimination?
If a guy shows up with a bike that one or more other members think is not within the rules and they point that out to the organisers to either confirm or deny, then surely that is the system working as it should not descrimination.

[F5 Dave]

At the end of the day I think what is giving everyone Bum Aids as Drew so eloquently puts it is that as a group we are all happy if people want to race & have fun, but get pissed off by someone advertising a dubious legality bike & then telling us its legal.

No one likes to get told what to do, it pisses people off. Hence why this silly thread is still going.

[Buckets4Me]

No one likes to get told what to do, it pisses people off. Hence why this silly thread is still going.

that and it's fun

[Dutchee]

Whose turn is it anyway for popcorn????????????? (yeah, it was another thread it was mentioned that AJ had to put his popcorn down, and I figured the bowl's empty here and we need more).

Not sure if it was this thread or another one where Choppa/Drew commented we whinge more than real bike racers - we read the rules, we follow the rules and talk about whether we can get around a rule or how to make something legal. We don't have large chequebooks to open and protest other riders, we come in here and chat amongst ourselves. Might take longer than an official protest, but it's a hell of a lot of fun, until the same old things crop up with newbies.

Anyway, on that note, shouldn't this thread be called MINI-MOTARD FOR F4/F5 RACING? as buckets is embarrassing and so un-cool.
Righto, popcorn's ready, time to go (AJ your shout of popcorn next). Hands popcorn round.

[Drew]

Not sure if it was this thread or another one where Choppa/Drew commented we whinge more than real bike racers - we read the rules, we follow the rules and talk about whether we can get around a rule or how to make something legal. We don't have large chequebooks to open and protest other riders, we come in here and chat amongst ourselves. Might take longer than an official protest, but it's a hell of a lot of fun, until the same old things crop up with newbies.

Protest costs $50 deposit which you get back...Unless you're wrong, then you owe another $450.

There is no clear reason however, that one of these bikes displacing less than 150cc is not legal. Just lots of people saying it isn't because it's a competition motor.

'Derived' is the word in the rules, on which I base my argument.

[avgas]

The bucket class sounds like BEARS for girl scouts.
Same B.S. but slightly sugar coated.

Kinda sad really - there used to be some great articles about Buckets back in the days.

[Yow Ling]

Protest costs $50 deposit which you get back...Unless you're wrong, then you owe another $450.

There is no clear reason however, that one of these bikes displacing less than 150cc is not legal. Just lots of people saying it isn't because it's a competition motor.

'Derived' is the word in the rules, on which I base my argument.

There would appear to be other words as well, anyway how does this affect you you dont currently race a bucket

[Moooools]

Protest costs $50 deposit which you get back...Unless you're wrong, then you owe another $450.

There is no clear reason however, that one of these bikes displacing less than 150cc is not legal. Just lots of people saying it isn't because it's a competition motor.

'Derived' is the word in the rules, on which I base my argument.

You are taking the word 'Derived' so far out of context it is a joke. You have forgotten the the rule is:

24.2 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles.

motorcycles
motorcycles
motorcycles
motorcycles
motorcycles

I would take this tho mean that the engine you start with must have at some point been in a non competition motorcycle, or been a direct original replacement for a non competition motorcycle.
The rule says nothing about engines being derived from non competition engines at all. The word is motorcycle.


It only looks like this on kb because people with little or no knowledge of bucket racing come on here and spew shit. (I was the same, maybe still am)

I don't think I have heard the rules mentioned once at the track. Everybody is just there for the racing... and shit talking in the pits.
Nobody gives a cares until people who don't race buckets try to tell them that they are wrong.