Crafar Farms?

**mashman** · 28th January 2012, 12:37

Originally Posted by StoneY

Had you been watching the many interviews with the Michael Faye lead group, you would have seen two gentlemen from their local Iwi, who clearly stated they had offered the same money for the two farms which were land taken from them in the 1800's.

The overall Crafar package, the Chinese offer's 40 mil more (drop in the bucket for our economy)
these two parcels of land, they offered the same full price, and a businessman who is from that tribe and happens to be wealthy was donating his Iwi the cash.

The rest of your post I found to be racist and informatory dude.... and you have totally missed the point.

Thanks to all the others commenting, I see a recurring opinion coming through for you all.
Many bloody good statements and points to consider.

How quick would that 40 mill have been earned back by the local lads? Summit don't add up... I'm still going for Austerity without calling it austerity.

Originally Posted by StoneY

So...do we start a rebellion?

To what end? If I'm goin in and risking my liberty, then I'm going in hard and with a purpose... til then I'll just fester in my anger and hatred of everything that's financially related... bloody stupid way to run a country, let alone expecting things to change using the same old tired policies that haven't worked anywhere around the globe.

**scumdog** · 28th January 2012, 13:44

Originally Posted by Motu

It will give much needed employment opportunities to hundreds of 'SOON TO BE IMPORTED' unemployed Asians. The salesman in our agricultural department is looking forward to his Mandarin lessons...and increased commission from extra sales.

There, fixed it for you, no worries bro!

**HenryDorsetCase** · 28th January 2012, 15:14

Originally Posted by StoneY

Am I the only one who thinks that selling this hugely valuable land to foreigners is wrong?

Opinions please .....

Mine is:

The farms sitting on illegally confiscated land in the 19th century be given back to respective Iwi's (hell they even wanted to pay for it!)
The rest could be leased to the Chinese consortium's, or sold to the Michael Faye lead group.

What is 30 million on a deal this big? Peanuts......... far more important not to let foreigners start owning our land.
Bad enough the power co selloffs.....

My rant over, whats your take?.

its already owned by foreigners. i.e. the fucking Strayan banks that got tucked into lending $200+ Mill on it in the first place. Our chinese overlords will be no worse.

in fact, they might be better. They couldnt be worse economic or environmental managers than Crafar. And the New Zealnd bid, led by no less than Michael Fay? Puh leaze! that fucker? He can get fucked! some people have short fucking memories, yeah?!

**puddytat** · 28th January 2012, 22:41

More good news folks....Dairy Holdings is also up for sale, part of the ex Hubbard empire.The blurb on the telly was abit unclear whether it was to be sold to locals but Bill English did reassure us that the OIO would have to clear the deal if it was foreigners.....

I just hope that who ever buys them does a fucking far better job of managing the farm of theirs next door than the last lot & by that i mean the "Regional managers" not the farm managers. Im sure if next door is sold then the Tasman district will do a far better job of monitoring the constant cows in creeks problem & help stop our rivers in the Murchison having the worst ecoli counts in the entire region & up there with the worst in the South Island.

**pete376403** · 28th January 2012, 23:40

Could New Zealanders buy land in China? And not something in the middle of the desert somewhere, but prime farm land?

**kevie** · 29th January 2012, 07:25

I know one of the 'M Fahey Consortium" members and going by what they said they DO have the dollars to buy the farms, but ........... I recon come hell or high water the government was determined to sell to the Chinese but needed to make it look like its a "last resort" sale....... is it because of some secret agenda or agreement as part of the free trade agreement they made with China???? who will ever know .... in our democracy its certainly a lot of secret stuff done behind our backs.

**oldrider** · 29th January 2012, 07:47

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

its already owned by foreigners. i.e. the fucking Strayan banks that got tucked into lending $200+ Mill on it in the first place. Our chinese overlords will be no worse.

in fact, they might be better. They couldnt be worse economic or environmental managers than Crafar. And the New Zealnd bid, led by no less than Michael Fay? Puh leaze! that fucker? He can get fucked! some people have short fucking memories, yeah?!

True! Nothing more to say on this really!

**Shadowjack** · 29th January 2012, 10:01

I see that the company to run the farms, alongside Landcorp, is called "Milk New Zealand".
Is that a company name, or a statement of intent?

**nosebleed** · 29th January 2012, 10:41

Originally Posted by kevie

I know one of the 'M Fahey Consortium" members and going by what they said they DO have the dollars to buy the farms, but ........... I recon come hell or high water the government was determined to sell to the Chinese but needed to make it look like its a "last resort" sale....... is it because of some secret agenda or agreement as part of the free trade agreement they made with China???? who will ever know .... in our democracy its certainly a lot of secret stuff done behind our backs.

Personally I'm hoping it's because someone in a position to affect the outcome researched Michael Fay and realised what a self-serving thief he actually is.

if his angle is the whole "sell it NZ'ers and keep it NZ" then I'd liken it to selling a private hospital to Dr Mengele (yeah, I took it there).

Of the two options posted I say good on the Chinese, they can't do any worse than the previous owner, and chances are if Fay et al did end up owning the farms, they'd turn around and sell it to the Chinese anyway, only it'd be a private sale and NZ would see nothing of the deal.

**mashman** · 29th January 2012, 17:34

dun dun dun another 72 bite the dust...

**puddytat** · 29th January 2012, 18:22

With Dairy Holdings I think alot of what has happened with it & Hubbard had alot to do with the Canterbury Plains Water Scheme & with the deal he did with ECan when he financed thier arses when it looked like going belly up......he stood to gain ALL the consented water rights to it ,if it didnt happen......

In steps "Bill" English & the govt to stop that.Brother Connor also has his finger prints all over it.

And Hubbards finances are investigated....

Wasnt it not to long ago ,that the Govt. admitted that the money made from asset sales would be going into CPW scheme. So "we" are effectively subsidising private individuals & corporates to milk the country to the tune of mega bucks. Fucking nepotism I reckon.
Meanwhile we keep waiting for a packet of chewing gum...
So while we need export dollars i see this as a shitty business for most of us that will subsidise it, & no doubt if anything goes wrong enviromentally with rivers & aquifers it'll be yup, you guessed it, US that'll foot the "Bill"

**Winston001** · 29th January 2012, 18:26

Originally Posted by pete376403

Could New Zealanders buy land in China? And not something in the middle of the desert somewhere, but prime farm land?

An excellent and pertinent question. I don't know the answer but bear in mind China is a communist country. The land belongs to the government. Foreigners can buy houses and apartments but rural land? Doubt it.

**Winston001** · 29th January 2012, 18:36

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

And the New Zealnd bid, led by no less than Michael Fay? Puh leaze! that fucker? He can get fucked! some people have short fucking memories, yeah?!

Maaate - high five! There are some of us who remember very well. I was a shareholder in Capital Markets and got shafted like everyone else by Faye and Richwhite.

Originally Posted by kevie

I recon come hell or high water the government was determined to sell to the Chinese but needed to make it look like its a "last resort" sale....... is it because of some secret agenda or agreement as part of the free trade agreement they made with China???? who will ever know .... in our democracy its certainly a lot of secret stuff done behind our backs.

Repeat after me - THERE ARE NO CONSPIRACIES. Keep going until you start to grasp the essential concept.

The government are not selling the Crafar farms. This is not public land. Australian banks who are owed a ton of money are selling and trying to get back as much as they can.

And if that isn't enough, there was a previous Chinese bid - which was refused by the Overseas Investment Commission. Why would that have happened if there was a secret agenda whereby the government forced the banks to sell the Crafar farms to China?