World lacks enough food, fuel as population soars

[jonbuoy]

So kill all of the doctors and researchers.

True, the rich won't be so happy then ... let 'em eat shotgun barrel

Mate we ARE the rich.

[Brian d marge]

As I've said repeatedly you're not willing to make the changes necessary to make a difference, so the only option is to take the piss. Ditch the bike, the car, any clothing with anything artificial in it, get off the electricity grid, and grow most of your own food, stop buying packaged food, and most of all only buy/barter goods and services from a radius of action easily traversable on foot and then you're making a start on what needs to happen to avoid your apocalyptically tainted, muttered, doom-ridden, essentially over-educated, intensely middle class guilt laden, liberal prophecy . Then I might be willing to discuss the situation. Face to face after walking to meet you. We'll drink home brew we carried with us, made from rainwater and locally produced goods, and "bottled" in home made kiln fired clay jars.

Most of the Western world isn't ready or willing to reduce their standard of Living to that of an Indian village dweller

But seriously, some of you pop off and die please.

talk to me , even in Tokyo I am working towards that

Soap
beer
whiskey
vege ( as much as I /we can produce , 60 POSSIBLY 70 % of our family’s needs THOUGH we rent a field at 5k yen a month ,,,
Transport bicycle ( and mobikes , but daily is bicycle )
Electricity , biodegradable nuclear
water , SHITLOADS , I mean SHITLOADS, all going down the sewer ...and I pay 6k a month for that
Meat ,,,dont eat much of that
Clothes ...well sort of gave those things up long time ago , some of this Chinese stuff ain’t bad
TV , PlayStation. big screen ,,,,Wii... sex ,,,sorry cant give that up just yet , but the wife is working on it

Bartering ..alive and VERY well here , nxt door gives us veges , we ( me ) fix cars and supply essential oils and labour ( in the correct french spelling)

This IS THE FUTURE FOLKS

Stephen

[mashman]

Mate we ARE the rich.

I'm aware of that. I'm willing to take my chances and as there are people much "richer" than me, I know where I'll be

[ducatilover]

Mate we ARE the rich.

We are.

[george formby]

Poll :- option 2

"nah' it's fucked" for the time being anyway.

We have all the food & resources we need but at the current rate of squandering it won't last long. Without a radical shift in how we understand our life styles or the heavy hand of nature leveling the playing field it's all downhill.

I've worked in restaurants for years & for those who have never been behind the scenes the food wastage is appalling. At the end of a busty night their is sack after sack of leftovers going into the bin. Bizarrely a frequent topic of conversation over dinner is saving the planet. Our life is easy & gratifying, making changes which lessen these two aspects is anathema to the majority, regardless of how they feel about the future.
It's not as if council or government is trying to push the population in the right direction either, we struggle to recycle effectively up here let alone move towards a more sustainable economy.

[mashman]

Our life is easy & gratifying, making changes which lessen these two aspects is anathema to the majority, regardless of how they feel about the future.

I'm just curious why people think that the changes that are needing to be made mean that out quality of life will lessen? We have everything we need we just use money to pay for it. Even if there isn't any money, the things that make our life easy and gratifying will still be there. If not then why not?

[george formby]

I'm just curious why people think that the changes that are needing to be made mean that out quality of life will lessen? We have everything we need we just use money to pay for it. Even if there isn't any money, the things that make our life easy and gratifying will still be there. If not then why not?

I don't believe that quality of life will change, after all the only real change stems from us & the decisions we make, but I think peoples fear that it will hinders them in their decisions. Back in the restaurant, sensible people consistently over order on the menu & cannot eat their food. Very few make a decision to order only what they can eat & this is usually motivated by self perception. This is reflected all over in our society.

[mashman]

I don't believe that quality of life will change, after all the only real change stems from us & the decisions we make, but I think peoples fear that it will hinders them in their decisions. Back in the restaurant, sensible people consistently over order on the menu & cannot eat their food. Very few make a decision to order only what they can eat & this is usually motivated by self perception. This is reflected all over in our society.

So to allay the fear a little education could go along way? Good analogy. That's the thing that struck me a few years ago, I really haven't been thinking at all and was more than happy to follow wherever life took me. I'd rather have the ability to choose my decisions wisely and not based on the amount of $$$ in my pocket or the stupid laws that prohibit me from doing something.

I hope the Assange programme is made ... it could be quite an eye opener.

[george formby]

So to allay the fear a little education could go along way? Good analogy. That's the thing that struck me a few years ago, I really haven't been thinking at all and was more than happy to follow wherever life took me. I'd rather have the ability to choose my decisions wisely and not based on the amount of $$$ in my pocket or the stupid laws that prohibit me from doing something.

I hope the Assange programme is made ... it could be quite an eye opener.

Yup, learn to value the weight of our decisions & the consequences multiplied by a few million.

If I ever open another restaurant I might put the bins beside the tables.

[carbonhed]

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/room-all

[avgas]

I blame mass over population of gooks and coons. AIDS (anally injected death syndrome) can only go so far.

It was the dutch, poms, Spanish and Portuguese before them.
Surely a "salty baller" such as yourself would understand that everyone has a go at taking over the world.

[buggsubique]

http://news.yahoo.com/world-lacks-en...151012418.html

So what are we going to do about it.

nothing at all. Poverty, death and war are inevitable. How else do you control population growth.

Actually, change that. Form strategic alliances to ensure survival of our own national interests and resource dominance, or at least access. Growth is the principal issue.

[droid]

[SMOKEU]

It was the dutch, poms, Spanish and Portuguese before them.
Surely a "salty baller" such as yourself would understand that everyone has a go at taking over the world.

But would you really want gooks, coons or jews taking over the world?

[avgas]

Its funny I had a conversation about this with a mate recently. He really did not like my stance on the matter that I believed the world has too much accessible resources.
His argument was if we have excess resources why are there poor people.
I simply stated they weren't poor enough. His look was shocked.
"What do you bloody mean not poor enough! Haven't you seen the starving in Africa!"
"Yes, but if you were starving in your own country.....why would you stay?"
"They have to! We need to help them! We need to.........(waftling on about how they need our help)........they have no way out!!!"
"They could walk or die, but instead they stay in beg, they aren't poor enough yet"
"That is a bad attitude!"
"That is the attitude that kept civilization alive for 1000's of years, do you think people magically appeared all over the world?"

It truly amazes me all the bleeding hearts who believe that man just magically popped up in places such as the America's, Melanesia....... we came to these place.......there was a reason.........that reason has not change.

Why should we try and save the arrogant who demanded they stay behind. Its trying to save beached whale that will never learn.

There is food in the world, the people need to be near it (geographically). None of this "the end is nigh" bs

[avgas]

But would you really want gooks, coons or jews taking over the world?

Same shit different day as far as I am concerned. Whoever takes over is going to be an arsehole about it. The poms, dutch, Spanish and Portuguese were horrible masters when you think about it.