Will LAMS kill the 250 bike market?

[JimO]

it will probably stop the dealers selling worn out 15 year old 250s for 6k

[SMOKEU]

no engine braking which would throw most people on the frist corner they approch

They still have a bit of engine braking available. It doesn't really matter too much, that's what the front brake is for.

[Tigadee]

Will LAMS affect the prices of all categories of 250cc bikes, i.e. Sports, dirt/dual purpose, cruiser, scooter? Or just mostly bikes such as sports and cruiser?

[Gianz]

it will probably stop the dealers selling worn out 15 year old 250s for 6k

very true!

[Oblivion]

I'd want to get a Vj22 as a nice project bike. Take one with low k's, and fix it up like new. Top & bottom end rebuild, all done in the garage. Then have fun after everything is done

[GingerMidget]

Dumb question time, I know a Ducati 400SS falls under LAMS, but does a Monster M400 also? I want one of those!

[carburator]

LAM's in aussie has a list but also a defined power to wieght ratio and if you can prove
from the manufactors data that it falls inside the limit your away laughing
( its a drawn out process )

I don't think it will kill the second hand market, I think you will see less
bike shops stocking them though..
or the trade in value will be less again?

[sil3nt]

VFR 400's well the NC30 for sure isnt within Lams the RVF is though one must be lighter than the other or something along those lines

RVF 'officially' had 53hp whereas the VFR had 59. The RVF only just squeezes in and the VFR is only just pushed out (couple of kg heavier and it would be no problem).

[Blackflagged]

Dumb question time, I know a Ducati 400SS falls under LAMS, but does a Monster M400 also? I want one of those!

It would do yes.Actually it`s on the Oz Lam`s List, as is the M600.
Anybody from Australia? Whats a 659 Monster?
Dyslectic Ozy lambs maybe?

[GingerMidget]

From memory, 659 is AU specific, and restricted from factory to suit them.

Woot for the 400! Best I start really saving huh

[ducatilover]

I doubt it, VFR400s will probably go up, theyre a race replica, bigger than the 250s, within the lams (I think)
Will be interesting though. I wonder if it will hurt the 2 stroke market? - I think it will hurt it a bit, the learners arent allowed them, and people will have the attitude of 'why would i drop to a 250' after spending their time on a 650cc bike.

Im praying it drops the fuck outta the smokers, cos Ill buy every last one of the cunts and rape them all till theyre fucked

The VFR/RVF I think will hold value, they're cult bikes.
CBR/FZR/ZXR400s are already worth fuck all and hopefully they drop, because I'll buy a few

[mossy1200]

I like it.

Options for tall people i was so cramped at 6.4 on a rg250f when i had learner licence.
People getting into riding are currently getting stung with inflated 250 prices.Lets face it cbr250 singles????Hondas next move.That stinks of make a cheap bike for a learner market and rip them off.Top speed 130kph.LEMON!!!!bet they are 7grand to buy.
I like the fact that this will encourage the restoration of some cool old 600s and some bobber projects.Im going to start building up a old banger project cause I know I can sell it later without making a loss and there will be a market for it.
Good old 600 well mainted nice and safe and now a learner can go to rallies and tours with clubs.Its good for NZ motorcycling.

[sil3nt]

CBR/FZR/ZXR400s are already worth fuck all and hopefully they drop, because I'll buy a few

The CBRs are actually priced fairly high on trademe. Quite often NC35 pricing.

Would love a track FZR.

[R6_kid:Me]

It's being copied from here in Australia, and there are still plenty of 250's buzzing around. That includes your run of the mill CBR/ZXR/FZR/XYZ 250 RR/RS/SP etc. Not to mention heaps of new 250's too (hyobags, cbr250r's etc). From what I've seen prices are no different to in NZ, but it seems a lot harder to get your hands on a 300cc-650cc 'classic' 70's/80's era bikes, at least they appear cost prohibitive from my point of view.

What it does mean is that people like my father (50+ born again rider) can get straight on something like BMW F650GS (650cc) and get on their way without being made to suffer getting around on a 250cc bike for 18mths+.

[nerrrd]

But if he was in NZ, he would still have to suffer the higher registration costs of owning a bike "likely-to-cause-more-accidents-than-a-250-purely-because-it's-a-650-according-to-ACC."

Don't you love that? I know I do...I doubt that they will adjust the ACC levies to be in sync with the LAMs scheme.

Not that I'm endorsing increased ACC levies on motorcyclists either way...