4kmh tolerance for Waitangi Weekend until 29 February?

[Clockwork]

Seems to me that many of our road's speed limits are set unreasonably low, quite possibly with the implicit expectation that Police have consistently (presumably with the backing of the Minister for Police) overlooked minor breaches of the limit. Its often been stated that the defacto open road speed limit is 110kph.

It troubles me these attempts by the Police Management to redefine these "tolerance" levels are somehow inappropriate, in someway indicative of a Police state mentality. Surely such decisions should be the responsibility of the politicians who are ultimately accountable to the wider electorate yet it appears that as usual that they are happy to play Pontius Pilate. How gutless is that?

[SMOKEU]

Its often been stated that the defacto open road speed limit is 110kph.

90kmh more like it.

[MSTRS:Me]

Its often been stated that the defacto open road speed limit is 110kph.

90kmh more like it.

Speed limit and actual speed travelled at...

[bikaholic]

I work on the fact that the tolerance is actually 39KPH over the posted speed limit, as that the different tolerance levels I value are connected to my wallet. Do 39kph over the posted limit and you still get to drive away.
I either do the posted limit or I am way over it, no pissy in the middle 100-ish

[Drew]

I tried an experiment the other day. I rode down the road at 104 kmh, and I was incredibly safe from any hazard. Cars gave way, indicated when they were supposed to, stopped at red lights (and even amber lights) and maintained a good following distance, all the while paying attention to what they were doing and ignoring little Tarquin killing his sister Tamsin in the back seat. The road surface miraculously smoothed out and most importantly, I found I could handle my bike flawlessly and my skill level skyrocketed.

I carefully accelerated to 105 kmh, and suddenly everything changed. I found it hard to control my bike and suddenly other road users started tailgating, crashing amber and red lights etc. I conquered my fear and accelerated to 110 kmh, and it was as though I had shifted to another world. The roads were almost undriveable, other road users became aggressive and inconsiderate, and I watched a car drive through a red light, and noticed that the driver was drinking beer, eating dinner and reading the paper. But what terrified me was the impact it had on me. I was almost unable to control my bike, and corners that were a breeze at 104 kmh became terrifying near-death experiences. My brakes disappeared meaning I could no longer stop and my vision faded to the point where it was as though I was riding in twilight with no lights.

I believe that dropping the tolerance to 4 kmh will have an incredible impact on the road toll and make driving as safe as sitting in a comfy chair watching Coronation Street. And about as interesting.

You didn't read the rest of the thread did you numb nuts?

The LIMIT is 100kph. There has to be a tollerance due to the fact that it is impossible to drive safely whilst only looking at your speedo. However, it is perfectly reasonable to expect road users to have enough awareness, to keep a vehicle within 4 k's of the posted limit.

You should not be bitching about the tollerance ya bloody bell end, if you have issue, it is with the LIMIT!

Right, that said, I'm off on the Thursday night ride, where I hope I don't get spotted by the fuzz, and if I do catch their attention, it'll be own fault without excuse.

Speed limit and actual speed travelled at...

[FJRider]

I work on the fact that the tolerance is actually 39KPH over the posted speed limit, as that the different tolerance levels I value are connected to my wallet. Do 39kph over the posted limit and you still get to drive away.
I either do the posted limit or I am way over it, no pissy in the middle 100-ish

Pass a school bus stopped to pick up/drop off passengers ... at 100 kms/hr (on the open road) ... you ARE walking ...

Usually you are allowed to drive home ... if you pass the attitude test. Regardless of speed ticked ...

(At the officers descretion)

[shrub]

You didn't read the rest of the thread did you numb nuts?

The LIMIT is 100kph. There has to be a tollerance due to the fact that it is impossible to drive safely whilst only looking at your speedo. However, it is perfectly reasonable to expect road users to have enough awareness, to keep a vehicle within 4 k's of the posted limit.

You should not be bitching about the tollerance ya bloody bell end, if you have issue, it is with the LIMIT!

Right, that said, I'm off on the Thursday night ride, where I hope I don't get spotted by the fuzz, and if I do catch their attention, it'll be own fault without excuse.

Yes, quite. Thank you for pointing that out, I had absolutely no idea and I am in awe at your intelligence and by your understanding of the law. Your fellow Thursday night riders are lucky to share the road with you and I hope they appreciate the common sense and wisdom you bring to the group.

Muppets, too funny!

[bikaholic]

Pass a school bus stopped to pick up/drop off passengers ... at 100 kms/hr (on the open road) ... you ARE walking ...

Usually you are allowed to drive home ... if you pass the attitude test. Regardless of speed ticked ...

(At the officers descretion)

that's correct and there would be other scenarios as well but that is out of the spirit of the 4kph tolerance generally, just as the reduced speed limit at road works doesn't carry the extra penalties.

[trustme]

They were just testing the waters. It's coming sooner or later

[FJRider]

that's correct and there would be other scenarios as well but that is out of the spirit of the 4kph tolerance generally, just as the reduced speed limit at road works doesn't carry the extra penalties.

"Spirit of tolerance" is just that ... it holds NO tangible effect in law. It is applied at the descretion of the officer that catches you exceeding the speed limit. Over the limit, but under the tolerance ... you can STILL get an infringement notice.

The tolerance can NOT be used in your defence of being caught ... exceeding the speed limit.

He doesn't even need to stop you ... you may just "get it in the mail" ...

[RDJ]

He doesn't even need to stop you ... you may just "get it in the mail" ...

Indeed. The ticketing process is frequently both invisible and if there is any human involvement that is artfully concealed. Wait until we have Singapore-like ERP gantries and if the average speed between two of them is "too high" - bingo, the Govt cashes in again. It would be good (but not to be expected) if instead of always taking more from the taxpayer's wallets they actually spent less in the first place. Never happen until we face Grecian Times.

[Drew]

Yes, quite. Thank you for pointing that out, I had absolutely no idea and I am in awe at your intelligence and by your understanding of the law. Your fellow Thursday night riders are lucky to share the road with you and I hope they appreciate the common sense and wisdom you bring to the group.

Muppets, too funny!

I am glad you recognise my superiority.

As you were.

[shrub]

I am glad you recognise my superiority.

As you were.

You're funny, keep it up.

[Drew]

You're funny, keep it up.

Too much pressure now.

[MSTRS:Me]

He doesn't even need to stop you ... you may just "get it in the mail" ...

Indeed. The ticketing process is frequently both invisible and if there is any human involvement that is artfully concealed. Wait until we have Singapore-like ERP gantries and if the average speed between two of them is "too high" - bingo, the Govt cashes in again. It would be good (but not to be expected) if instead of always taking more from the taxpayer's wallets they actually spent less in the first place. Never happen until we face Grecian Times.

Boris - does this need any more explanation? These guys just used more words than I...