Speed tolerances

[cs363]

Bullshit! they force you to drive their speed, & alot of them also force you to floor it at passing lanes if you want to pass them (I will qualify it by saying in a cage too)

So how exactly do they force you to do that? (He said playing devils advocate.... )

[Winston001]

Public media reporting the truth!
80% of crashes occur below the speed limit....

Thankyou. More evidence the open road speed limit in New Zealand should be reduced to 80km/hr. The slower speed will allow drivers more time to react. It will also comply with the engineering design of our roads which (apart from SH1) are constructed for an 80kph speed.

Over and above those considerations, the laws of physics provide a primary reason to lower the national speed. Meat in a bag of fluid reinforced by calcium rods is not supposed to travel faster than a cantering horse. About 40kph. When the bag comes to a sudden stop, the rods break and the pieces of meat leak out.

Still 40 is a bit slow and humans like a challenge so 80 does it.

Just think of the fuel savings.

[haydes55]

As the saying goes 'better to be late than dead on time'. Not much use to your customers if you've ended up in hospital or worse, better to put up with the odd cranky customer isn't it?
Not condoning poor drivers that don't use their mirrors/pull over to let faster traffic past and so on, but the reality is they are the hazard and it's down to you how you deal with it whether they are right or wrong.
Reality is that most of us from time to to time make the wrong decision in these situations and pass when perhaps we shouldn't, but if there was an accident it would still be the overtakers fault in that situation.

I concede defeat. These slow drivers are still a serious hazard and just as dangerous on the roads as speeders (their driving being a factor in the cause of a crash). Therefore they should be fined and lose demerits similarly to speeders.

(still going to use my horn and flash my lights if I'm stuck behind a driver who refuses to show a level of humanity and pull over).

[FJRider]

80% couldn't drive regardless of speed, it is not an issue. 20% just had unfortunate circumstances. Unless your looking at it from Katman's view then 100% couldn't drive regardless of speed.

Personal issues have a large effect on driving/riding abilities ... Impatience, anger management problems, lack of concentration abilities, and selfishness. To name a few. Not in themselves against the law ... but have a marked effect on how one would ride/drive with any one of those issues.
Too often those that die ... do not suffer from any of those, merely a death caused by one that does.
Unfortunate indeed. The familys of those that die in those circumstances may not agree though ...

Bullshit! they force you to drive their speed, & alot of them also force you to floor it at passing lanes if you want to pass them (I will qualify it by saying in a cage too)

Impatience and anger management issues ... ???

[cs363]

I concede defeat. These slow drivers are still a serious hazard and just as dangerous on the roads as speeders (their driving being a factor in the cause of a crash). Therefore they should be fined and lose demerits similarly to speeders.

(still going to use my horn and flash my lights if I'm stuck behind a driver who refuses to show a level of humanity and pull over).

Good on you! And I agree totally - I'd love to see the cops focus more on slow/inconsiderate and poor drivers than just the often blinkered approach to speeding. Inconsiderate driving may well be the most dangerous of all.

[haydes55]

Thankyou. More evidence the open road speed limit in New Zealand should be reduced to 80km/hr. The slower speed will allow drivers more time to react. It will also comply with the engineering design of our roads which (apart from SH1) are constructed for an 80kph speed.

Over and above those considerations, the laws of physics provide a primary reason to lower the national speed. Meat in a bag of fluid reinforced by calcium rods is not supposed to travel faster than a cantering horse. About 40kph. When the bag comes to a sudden stop, the rods break and the pieces of meat leak out.

Still 40 is a bit slow and humans like a challenge so 80 does it.

Just think of the fuel savings.

Trolling

[FJRider]

The New Zealand goverment has signed a trade deal with India. Within a few months, factories will start being refurbished in Upper Hutt, for the building of NEW assembled cars. Plant, tools and dyes for the assembly of the Morris Oxford, will arrive in this country within six months.
This move (in the interest of road safety) is being taken, to allow the removal of more powerful cars off the road. A permit to drive any other vehicle, apart from the goverment approved one's ... can be bought from any LTSA office.

[cs363]

The New Zealand goverment has signed a trade deal with India. Within a few months, factories will start being refurbished in Upper Hutt, for the building of NEW assembled cars. Plant, tools and dyes for the assembly of the Morris Oxford, will arrive in this country within six months.
This move (in the interest of road safety) is being taken, to allow the removal of more powerful cars off the road. A permit to drive any other vehicle, apart from the goverment approved one's ... can be bought from any LTSA office.

I heard the same rumour, though I believe you're slightly incorrect regarding the brand of car - it's a Hindustan Ambassador, based on the Morris Oxford.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustan_Ambassador



......Hmmm, can you find the performance figures?!

[Berries]

haha, wont help, there are other corners that are marked at 35, and it doesnt feel really safe going too much over that. road knowledge makes a massive difference, and a surface can change dramatically over the course of a day.

The vagaries of setting out curve advisory speeds. There are some 25k curves that are uncomfortable at 25, other you can do at 60. The problem is, which one is which? Best get rid of them I reckon and just show how sharp the corner is.

I think you'll find that the posted 'recommended' limit isn't just about the speed a corner can be taken at. From memory when that is put in place it also takes into account following corners, road width and line of sight for braking on the given corner.

Nah. You drive the curve and take a reading then do it again. Plug the reading on to to a graph which tells you what the speed should be. Antiquated and very much linked to the set up of the vehicle you are driving. Which goes back to the point above. A 25k curve measured with one vehicle may be quite different to a 25k curve measured in a different vehicle, and totally unrelated to the vehicle you may just happen to be riding/driving at the time.

[Coolz]

Don't forget 100k is the maximum speed limit. With all the ' I'ts not a target ' and ' Drive to the conditions ' messages we are bombarded with, I think a vehicle would have to be travelling at more than 20k below the limit before incuring the wrath of the pink frosted donut munchers. I would like to see a higher speed limit on some of our better roads. It would also be good to see in the road code a law stateing that 'Anyone with two or more vehicles traveling closley behind must, when coming to a passing lane, take the left lane,slow down and not merge back into the flow of traffic till all following vehicles have passed.' If they are not at the back of the queue at the end of the passing lane they should get hammered, 75 demerit points, so they could only do it once. It's not only poor driving it's fucken rude holding people up.

[FJRider]

I heard the same rumour, though I believe you're slightly incorrect regarding the brand of car - it's a Hindustan Ambassador, based on the Morris Oxford.


......Hmmm, can you find the performance figures?!

For New Zealand use ... it is being renamed the Morris Key.

I dont know if it's performance rates figures ... A GN250 develops more horsepower.

[awa355]

The vagaries of setting out curve advisory speeds. There are some 25k curves that are uncomfortable at 25, other you can do at 60. The problem is, which one is which? Best get rid of them I reckon and just show how sharp the corner is.


Nah. You drive the curve and take a reading then do it again. Plug the reading on to to a graph which tells you what the speed should be. Antiquated and very much linked to the set up of the vehicle you are driving. Which goes back to the point above. A 25k curve measured with one vehicle may be quite different to a 25k curve measured in a different vehicle, and totally unrelated to the vehicle you may just happen to be riding/driving at the time.

On my previous bike, a light sports bike, advisory speed signs were noted and then usually able to be taken at a higher speed.

On my current bike, a long heavy cruiser, Those same advisory speed signs have much more relevance, particulaly in the rain. I'm much closer to the adviced speed on the cruiser than the sports bike. Same rider, different beast.

[haydes55]

I heard the same rumour, though I believe you're slightly incorrect regarding the brand of car - it's a Hindustan Ambassador, based on the Morris Oxford.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustan_Ambassador



......Hmmm, can you find the performance figures?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Nano This car would be better!

[Kickaha]

(their driving being a factor in the cause of a crash).

Are there any statistics anywhere which would support that? I've seen it said often enough but not ever with any examples to back it up

Therefore they should be fined and lose demerits similarly to speeders.

Totally agree but you're not going to know if that happens or not as who is ever coming to say they got a ticket for going to slow

(still going to use my horn and flash my lights if I'm stuck behind a driver who refuses to show a level of humanity and pull over).

Give the back bumper a nudge and they'll get the message

[mossy1200]

??????????? if 80% is below 100 and 20% is above 100 and 30% of people drive over 100 then its safer to speed than not.

If 5% of the accidents happen while passing another vehicle then only 15% accidents happen over 100 unless passing so if every one was speeding the road toll would decrease because you wouldnt need to pass???

If 40% of accidents involve people under 25years old and 50% of people under speed then people over 25 can go as fast as they want with zero risk?

If 1 out of 5 people are idiots and all idiots speed then if you arnt a idiot and you speed you are 100% safe??

Figures dont mean anything unless every factor has been 100% correctly analysed before making a generalized statement.