Considering a party

[Scuba_Steve]

OK so seriously thinking about starting a party (no not that sort of party )

My main platform will be to make NZ a democracy (don't try spouting shit about "we're all ready a democracy". That's bullshit, we're not!)
I would need majority support, which could be hard giving the amount of idiots that continue to vote National/Labour like they're the only 2 parties in existence but that doesn't make it impossible

But here's what I'd plan -
- 1st & foremost obviously to turn NZ into a democracy, give the people the power. Govt would effectively be nothing more than figureheads
- ACC (being a sore issue for many) would be changed. Cover would be as indented, no fault for all NZ. It would no longer be a fragmented collection it would be on GST alone. Everyone pays, everyone’s covered. I would also look at extending this cover to the whole health system (prevention is cheaper than cure)
- All Govt perks would be scraped straight up with no "compensation pay rise"
- The speed scam would be no more.
- The licence system would have a major revamp, people will have to know how to drive before being able to take control of a killing machine & the test would be administrated by simulation which international drivers would also have to do before being allowed on our roads
- WOF would no longer exist (I know this will be controversial) but your vehicle is either road worthy or it's not, simple as that. MTA tax isn't helping anything OZ has been running like this for years
- Multiple vehicle owners 'rejoice' you will only pay for the vehicle you use. All vehicles will pay for their road usage though RUC's so your only ever paying for the time you use with the vehicle you use
- The dole would be scrapped, instead everyone will get the "dole payment" & nothing more! you want more money, you work. Those who don't will have no WINZ office to complain to, the IRD will be drip feeding the money & as no WINZ office the tax payer will be buying no more cars, swimming pools etc for people to lazy to work
- We would be dropping the ETS, it is nothing more than a scam. Instead we would focus on a real problems like pollution. Companies would be given suitable time to fix the problem, following that they would be shut down until they are upto standard.
- All main infrastructure & services (water, power lines, phone lines, roads, sewage, Police, Fire, Ambulance etc) will be Govt owned & operated to cover costs ONLY. They will not be pulling large corporate profits or paying out large bonuses like current.
- Animals would have better protection under law i.e. penalties would be harder to the point of matching their human counterparts
- Laws designed to censor, control, or protect oneself would be removed.
- The 3-stike system would be upgraded, upon the 3rd strike real penalties will be imposed. 5-finger discount, castration, total loss of all possessions etc to match the crime
- Justice would be as it's supposed to be, Blind. courts would no longer be given the name, a visual, exact job when judging, they would have to judge on the crime & circumstances alone. Decisions would no-longer be made based on ones "standing" or "fame".
- Name suppression (being that it is to 'protect the victim") will be enacted at the request of the victim only (once verdict passed) i.e. once convicted it's only the victim that can decide if the suppression stays

Ok so I'm sure theres more I plan just can't think of them now (should really be working anyhows ) but this is a start & should give you the basic idea.
Lets not get to bogged down in personal opinion, I'd rather have questions as opposed to fragmented arguments.


So I suppose in the words of Rastuscat "Have at it"

Oh and just for RC, the police will be supplied with donuts in loo of the quota (sorry) KPI rewards (I got your back)

[Bikemad]

could we have a party to discuss the party

[slofox]

Where's the poll to name it then eh?

[SMOKEU]

- 1st & foremost obviously to turn NZ into a democracy, give the people the power. Govt would effectively be nothing more than figureheads

- The dole would be scrapped, instead everyone will get the "dole payment" & nothing more! you want more money, you work. Those who don't will have no WINZ office to complain to, the IRD will be drip feeding the money & as no WINZ office the tax payer will be buying no more cars, swimming pools etc for people to lazy to work

1. The majority of people are dumb and can't be trusted. Just look at who they voted for in the last general elections.

2. There aren't enough jobs available for everyone. How do you plan on ensuring that there are enough jobs for every person who wants to work?

[Scuba_Steve]

could we have a party to discuss the party

Sure, why not

Where's the poll to name it then eh?

I'm not sure leaving KB to name the party would be a good idea But maybee we could do that at the party to discuss the party

[Scuba_Steve]

1. The majority of people are dumb and can't be trusted. Just look at who they voted for in the last general elections.

This is something everyone will say about everyone else, and for some yes it is true. To help tho severe restrictions would be put on media when it comes to issues at hand they will be forced to provide only factual information with absolutely no opinion sort of a pro & con list (but the exact details will have to be worked through tho the jist is no more media biased propaganda)

2. There aren't enough jobs available for everyone. How do you plan on ensuring that there are enough jobs for every person who wants to work?

always a good one, I guess you can never ensure there is always jobs for those whom want to work. However I would like to have more "community" jobs people would be welcome to do i.e. people in the community looking after their community (gardens, lawns, rubbish, graffiti removal etc) this would allow for some "community pride" & have services tended to on a more regular basis

[Katman]

Well I loled.

[SMOKEU]

always a good one, I guess you can never ensure there is always jobs for those whom want to work. However I would like to have more "community" jobs people would be welcome to do i.e. people in the community looking after their community (gardens, lawns, rubbish, graffiti removal etc) this would allow for some "community pride" & have services tended to on a more regular basis

I agree. But then again that doesn't solve the problem regarding living expenses, unless you pay them, which in turn will mean they're pretty much a standard city council worker.

[MSTRS:Me]

But, the system...of course you've forgotten...but it could...then there's the...oh fuck, I just remembered about...nah, surely not...
Sounds like a viable alternative to the interchangeable wallies someone keeps putting in there

[Scuba_Steve]

I agree. But then again that doesn't solve the problem regarding living expenses, unless you pay them, which in turn will mean they're pretty much a standard city council worker.

Well as mentioned every NZers (18+) will receive effectively what is the current dole so can survive, but yes the idea would be to pay them minimum wage so they can have a little luxury/fun.
It'll be a way for those without ability/skills to gain some & those without previous work experience to get some, for most it'll only be a stepping stone job. I would hope to have high turnover as people move onto bigger & better jobs in the private sector.

[slofox]

I'm not sure leaving KB to name the party would be a good idea ...

Hey! a sensible politician!!!

[Genestho]

See, I've come to believe that that's a perception based on life experience and knowledge of politics and reality and how deep we delve into matters - people generally don't - preferring to regurgitate waffle from some cherry picked mis-guided info, from some well written blogger or yet another self professed journo with just the facts, or Nev with the grouse ute and hot missus to quote Shrub lol, and that's not IMO, how we should form opinions, but with the rise of the internet - there you have it.

I would vote National again in this current climate and I will make no apologies for doing so. None of the others give me a sense of security at all. In making that statement I'm not willing to debate the perceptions of what's happening around us right now - that's a whole different thread.

1. The majority of people are dumb and can't be trusted. Just look at who they voted for in the last general elections.

What we need to be careful of in our beliefs is polarising each others opinions and instead of creating a divide; inspire in each other a want to change, a want to learn old practices and basics and be thankful for what we DO have.

So I agree with community based gardening, bartering, sharing excess, giving people that want it purpose and new skills. For everyone to spend time or effort on something or someone, outside of themselves. That is already happening and I hope the seed spreads so to speak.

Realising the cold hard facts that we are going to have to tighten our belts further; it's only a matter of time - we cannot go on the way we are and someone at some point needs to make some tough decisions both locally and globally, life is going to go tits up for many although, I really hope I'm wrong.

I believe it's got nowt to do with left or right, but with humanity and how it's going to react towards each other in the very near future when faced with the possibility of even more adversity. We've already had a sample.

On that note, not that long ago I felt quite differently but, screw the idea of yet another political party (no offence intended, I know you're coming from a good idealistic place, I've been there and been apart of changes) but in the end it's all the same to different degrees, you will become aware of the truth in politics - still have to make deals to get bills passed and I assure you - you won't make everyone happy.

For what you propose, SS, you'd have to hope the ingrained system falls over on itself and then somehow starts again.

Community based stuff is just that and far more easily achievable, requires no leadership just action, if you/we/who-ever put the time or effort in and the rewards are almost instant for all and far reaching, IMO.

Good luck.

[slofox]

Here ya go SS.

1. Minimum wage x 40 hours per week is tax free. Above that, tax at rate to meet needs. Could be flat, could be stepped, you choose.

2. Dole equal to above BUT IS TAXED.

3. Every dollar earned comes off the dole BUT IS TAX FREE.


So you actually gain a little on every dollar you earn instead of getting from the gummint.

Might work.

[Scuba_Steve]

still have to make deals to get bills passed and I assure you - you won't make everyone happy.

For what you propose, SS, you'd have to hope the ingrained system falls over on itself and then somehow starts again.

I did mention I'd pretty much need control to go forth with my plans, no current politician is going to give up their perks or live in flats by choice and they definitely will not effectively give up power without a fight as my system will see happen.

As for making everyone happy, I never planed to. My whole idea is to just sort NZ out followed by handing it back to the people it belongs

[MSTRS:Me]

... followed by handing it back to the people it belongs

And just how far back does your NZ bloodline have to go?