4kmh tolerance for Waitangi Weekend until 29 February?

[Scuba_Steve]

You'd think so, wouldn't you. There isn't a system for recording warnings, so it's hard to know if it's the first time they've been dealt with.

probably for the best, if there were the Govt would probably start asking why you were giving warnings when you could have been making them $$$.
Either way warnings or being informed about the law they possibly did not know they were braking is always a good thing. Like I said ignorance plays a BIG part in the breaking of laws like the "keep left" rule. The indication rule is usually more out of laziness, unless they're turning left with a right-turner waiting, then it's just greed.

[mashman]

It's hard to get my troops to target lane driving and indicating, coz the penalty is disproportionate to the offence. $150 would surely start a few threads about revenue collecting.

My troops are a reflection of the society from which they are drawn, as am I. Nobody seems to take the lane thing or indicating seriously, it's a culture in this country.

Any time I ask the troops to do something I have to sell it to them, unless it's firmly common sense, like catching a drunk, dangerous or disqualified driver. People feel good about arresting a thief, impounding a car seen doing a burnout, all the stuff that makes us feel good. It's a different story about charging someone $150 for not indicating. It's hard to feel good about that.

It's easy to stand back and tell someone that it's what they're paid for, just do it, but that's ignoring the humanity of the situation.

We have a bit of a policy where if someone doesn't indicate and we actually stop them (rare), they only get a ticket if they actually inconvenienced someone i.e. pissed someone off. Same with lane driving; if they impede someone by using the wrong lane when turning, maybe a ticket happens. Otherwise it either gets ignored or warned.

Just my thoughts.

How about 5 or 10 demerits with no fine? It gets recorded and the bad bad person gets a "warning" to be careful as they could have killed someone.

[oneofsix]

Whoa!! I work on a section that targets shitty driving. Out if interest, speed is way down or list of priorities.

It's hard to get my troops to target lane driving and indicating, coz the penalty is disproportionate to the offence. $150 would surely start a few threads about revenue collecting.

My troops are a reflection of the society from which they are drawn, as am I. Nobody seems to take the lane thing or indicating seriously, it's a culture in this country.

Any time I ask the troops to do something I have to sell it to them, unless it's firmly common sense, like catching a drunk, dangerous or disqualified driver. People feel good about arresting a thief, impounding a car seen doing a burnout, all the stuff that makes us feel good. It's a different story about charging someone $150 for not indicating. It's hard to feel good about that.

It's easy to stand back and tell someone that it's what they're paid for, just do it, but that's ignoring the humanity of the situation.

We have a bit of a policy where if someone doesn't indicate and we actually stop them (rare), they only get a ticket if they actually inconvenienced someone i.e. pissed someone off. Same with lane driving; if they impede someone by using the wrong lane when turning, maybe a ticket happens. Otherwise it either gets ignored or warned.

Just my thoughts.

It isn't just your troops though. It would need the whole propaganda deal, like what they are doing with speed, but the thing here is it not the individual offence but the driving attitude that is targeted. The fine is not out of proportion if you look at it as an attitude thing. The person that turns into the wrong lane can be cutting someone else off, seen it a few times and even where the victim ends up having a crash the cause disappears into the ether. The person not indicating causes a wrong decision resulting in a crash. All cause aggravation that can result in silly moves later. At the moment people don't care as much about their general driving as they do their speed and yet speed isn't the biggest risk, it is the general driving, the SMIDSY if you like. We bikers go on about the SMIDSYs but how many car to car accidents are also SMIDSYs just because one of the operators wasn't actually driving at the time, they were just resting their hands on the wheel whilst thinking about god knows what.
Yes it would start threads about revenue collection but those threads are there already. Easier to sell the point that someone changing lanes without indicating is a danger than selling this lot that doing 120k down a straight empty highway is a danger.
"My troops are a reflection of the society from which they are drawn" what? you don't get the corporate ra ra sessions telling you why speed is such a danger? Knowing the way management works no matter where I feel sure you get more than just the odd media ad on the dangers of speeding. There must be in house bulletins. But what you said in a way is the point, to get society as a whole to treat driving as something that requires concentration, would solve the cell phone use attitude as well.
Having lived in PN I have seen the odd Blue and White corporate vehicle turn into the wrong lane on multi-lane roads, suspect fining others $150 for something they themselves may have done good be part of the problem, I mean they never speed do they? Also seen the corporate vehicle straddle both lanes to block someone passing them just before the merge, great attitude as it puts one more car back in to the intersection . Don't take that to heart, as said earlier targeting basic driving would hit me too.

[shrub]

It isn't just your troops though. It would need the whole propaganda deal, like what they are doing with speed, but the thing here is it not the individual offence but the driving attitude that is targeted.....

Spot on mate. BTW, i don't see the cops as being revenue gatherers because if they were, all they'd need to do is sit at major traffic lights and just about every cycle they'd have a ticket to write.

Failing to indicate, failing to stop at a stop sign, failing to stop for an amber light and tailgating are IMHO the kind of things that need to be targetted because they are the actions of people who don't take driving/riding seriously, and if you don't take it seriously you need to get a big old wakeup call because I don't want to be on the road at the same time as you.

[Zedder]

Spot on mate. BTW, i don't see the cops as being revenue gatherers because if they were, all they'd need to do is sit at major traffic lights and just about every cycle they'd have a ticket to write.

Failing to indicate, failing to stop at a stop sign, failing to stop for an amber light and tailgating are IMHO the kind of things that need to be targetted because they are the actions of people who don't take driving/riding seriously, and if you don't take it seriously you need to get a big old wakeup call because I don't want to be on the road at the same time as you.

The simple lack of personnel puts paid to the major traffic light ticketing scenario as it does to all other infringment policing on a larger scale.

Coming as I have done from the roading industry where roads are designed/redesigned for safety, it was very hard dealing with continual lack of funding.

Since the money from ticketing goes into the consolidated fund and not to a road safety fund, the industry cannot help but see the situation as revenue gathering.

Granted, it is just one aspect but, road surface and design integrity is a fundamental factor in traffic safety which all too often has a lessor priority due to other spending. In short, and this is a common theme, New Zealand just can't afford good health care, education, and roading etc "all in the same boat".

[scumdog]

probably for the best, if there were the Govt would probably start asking why you were giving warnings when you could have been making them $$$.
.

Nah, they never question why so many of my tickets are 'compliance' tickets.

The person I give 'em to pays nothing - and the tickets cost the Govt $$$ to process.

[scumdog]

We have a bit of a policy where if someone doesn't indicate and we actually stop them (rare), they only get a ticket if they actually inconvenienced someone i.e. pissed someone off. Same with lane driving; if they impede someone by using the wrong lane when turning, maybe a ticket happens. Otherwise it either gets ignored or warned.

Just my thoughts.

Kinda sums my act up too...

Amazing the number of people I've pulled over and the first thing they say as they get out the car is: "oh, I know why you pulled me up, I didn't indicate back there eh"

and often that is NOT why I 'pulled them up...'

[SMOKEU]

and often that is NOT why I 'pulled them up...'

What about when someone does a wheelie?

[scumdog]

What about when someone does a wheelie?

Yeah they don't indicate either...

[shrub]

Yeah they don't indicate either...

Sometimes wheelies indicate - stupidity.

[cs363]

It isn't just your troops though. It would need the whole propaganda deal, like what they are doing with speed, but the thing here is it not the individual offence but the driving attitude that is targeted. The fine is not out of proportion if you look at it as an attitude thing. The person that turns into the wrong lane can be cutting someone else off, seen it a few times and even where the victim ends up having a crash the cause disappears into the ether. The person not indicating causes a wrong decision resulting in a crash. All cause aggravation that can result in silly moves later. At the moment people don't care as much about their general driving as they do their speed and yet speed isn't the biggest risk, it is the general driving, the SMIDSY if you like. We bikers go on about the SMIDSYs but how many car to car accidents are also SMIDSYs just because one of the operators wasn't actually driving at the time, they were just resting their hands on the wheel whilst thinking about god knows what.
Yes it would start threads about revenue collection but those threads are there already. Easier to sell the point that someone changing lanes without indicating is a danger than selling this lot that doing 120k down a straight empty highway is a danger.
"My troops are a reflection of the society from which they are drawn" what? you don't get the corporate ra ra sessions telling you why speed is such a danger? Knowing the way management works no matter where I feel sure you get more than just the odd media ad on the dangers of speeding. There must be in house bulletins. But what you said in a way is the point, to get society as a whole to treat driving as something that requires concentration, would solve the cell phone use attitude as well.
Having lived in PN I have seen the odd Blue and White corporate vehicle turn into the wrong lane on multi-lane roads, suspect fining others $150 for something they themselves may have done good be part of the problem, I mean they never speed do they? Also seen the corporate vehicle straddle both lanes to block someone passing them just before the merge, great attitude as it puts one more car back in to the intersection . Don't take that to heart, as said earlier targeting basic driving would hit me too.

Yes, please....when can this start?!

[cs363]

What about when someone does a wheelie?

How do you indicate for a wheelie?

[rastuscat]

How do you indicate for a wheelie?

Above the headlight of my bike is a third frontal indicator. When I'm about to pull a wheelie I indicate it 3 seconds early, so everyone knos what I'm about to do. Hasn't your bike got one?

[cs363]

Above the headlight of my bike is a third frontal indicator. When I'm about to pull a wheelie I indicate it 3 seconds early, so everyone knos what I'm about to do. Hasn't your bike got one?

You must have a speshul model, neither of my bikes have that and they're both supposedly performance bikes....

Is that third indicator blue by chance?

[rastuscat]

You must have a speshul model, neither of my bikes have that and they're both supposedly performance bikes....

Is that third indicator blue by chance?

Darn, I'm rumbled.............

The R1200RT-Ps are known for lifting the front wheel mainly with assistance from a helicopter. Although, if you do a high-lean-angle U-turn, and accelerate heavily out of it, the front lifts when the bike is still seriously under lean, an effect known to be followed with a severe pucker.