Okay, how about this?

[Buyasta]

There was a movie a while back (that I never saw and can't remember the name) based on the same premise. Big Brother is watching, can tell who is going to commit a crime BEFORE that person knows they will, and then BB goes out and 'stops' them....

Minority Report?

[caspernz]

Funny thing is, an F800ST would have won every class it entered 30 years ago. With ease. With a novice racer onboard. Our perceptions of what makes for a sedate bike are seriously bent these days.

200kg and 100HP is a Girl's bike in the US.

Mmmm, my current bike is like 220 kgs and 95 hp, does that make it a teenagers' bike?

[caspernz]

Modelled on a scheme in Nelson, I'm thinking of doing something like this.

1. Find a motorcyclist doing something I could potentially write a ticket for. Not hard.
2. Take all his/her details. Make sure I have follow up details.
3. Make sure he/she has all my contact details
4. Supply full contact details for the training that ACC is heavily subsidising.
5. Tell said biker that if he/she does one of the approved courses, no ticket will be issued.
6. Bikers choice…..do the training, paying $50 for the privilege, or get the fine, normally $150

I'm trying to see the arguments against this. If I can cause people to choose training and avoid wasting their dosh on fines, where's the issue?

I guess I'll get all the carping, but let me have it, I'm actually interested in suggestions as to how I could make this better, what things not to do etc.

Have at it Citizens.

Donuts.

+1 for initiatives like these. Good to hear about PF as well, about time too!

[Oakie]

Minority Report?

That was it. I need to watch it again because I fell asleep in the middle.

[James Deuce]

That was it. I need to watch it again because I fell asleep in the middle.

Don't bother. That will happen again.

[rastuscat]

It's gonna happen, and here's how.

We stop you for an offence, and write you a ticket.

As long as the offence isn't too bad, we offer you to choice to pay the ticket, or go do some training at one of the approved providers. ACC subsidises the training, which will cost the individual $50.

The Popo sends details to me, who keeps a record, and advises the local Road Safety Coordinator. The RSC liaises with the individual and the training providers to ensure that the training is able to happen, and that it actually does happen.

The RSC sends confirmation of completion to me, who arranges for the ticket to be cancelled.

Outcome? Dosh spent on training, nil fine to pay.

So there. I hope to have it happening in a week or two. I'll post how it all progresses.

[oneofsix]

It's gonna happen, and here's how.

We stop you for an offence, and write you a ticket.

As long as the offence isn't too bad, we offer you to choice to pay the ticket, or go do some training at one of the approved providers. ACC subsidises the training, which will cost the individual $50.

The Popo sends details to me, who keeps a record, and advises the local Road Safety Coordinator. The RSC liaises with the individual and the training providers to ensure that the training is able to happen, and that it actually does happen.

The RSC sends confirmation of completion to me, who arranges for the ticket to be cancelled.

Outcome? Dosh spent on training, nil fine to pay.

So there. I hope to have it happening in a week or two. I'll post how it all progresses.

and all smiley faces all round, umm perhaps not in Nelson

Orchard St residents are angry at the way the street has been singled out as part of a crackdown on drivers in the area, but police maintain the project is about helping people, not persecuting them.

Residents Sari Robb and Jan Shields contacted the Nelson Mail following an article published last week about the "Operation Assist" project where traffic police were promising to "live in" some streets in areas of high deprivation.

Through a series of random patrols, police hoped to stop every car driven in the area to check drivers had licences, and cars were registered and warranted.

Those who failed to meet those criteria would be offered the option of a ticket, or to take part in the Street Wise driver improvement programme. They would also be directed to defensive driving courses at their own cost. If they did not have a licence they would be directed to a course to help them get their licence. They had to pay to get their licence.

You just can't please people.

Pity the Nelson operation appears to be focused on the tax aspects of policing. Nah that's harsh, licenses are fair game, WOFs only if the car is actually unsafe and a bit circumstance dependant, but rego is pure tax so why force them to do a course that has nothing to do with the offence? hehe time for the 1984 (book) style re-education camps, you must pay your taxes

[Ocean1]

It's gonna happen, and here's how.

I like it, I'll see you soon.


Briefly.

[rastuscat]

I like it, I'll see you soon.


Briefly.

Right. Ride in a cycle lane in front of me and I'll make you my first case study. 150 or training that'll do you good".............."...um, why not just go do the training anyway..........

[Drew]

Right. Ride in a cycle lane in front of me and I'll make you my first case study. 150 or training that'll do you good".............."...um, why not just go do the training anyway..........

Your way is cheaper.

[rastuscat]

Trialled the scheme today, here's how it worked.

Saw a bloke on Gasson St on a big red Triumph. 11 years old but in awesome nick. He happened to be going the same way I was, so I followed him, immediately behind. Thing is, his mirrors appear to be purely for ornamentation. He accelerated too much, weaved across lanes, split moving vehicles, and failed to indicate several turns and lane changes. SHAZAM, thinks I, my first candidate !!

Stopped him some ways down the road, first he knew I was there was when I stuck the bells and whistles on. That's what made me think he was a dream candidate for the Rider Training Inititative (RTI), my pet name for what I'm doing.

Anyway, I handed him the ticket (for not indicating one turn), and the letter saying that I'd cancel the ticket if he completed training with one of the approved providers within 6 weeks. I gave him the brochure with the training providers details, and my business card, so he can get back to me.

Now I sit and wait 6 weeks to see what he does. Wanna run a sweepstake? Here's the options; he pays the $150 (dumb option 1). He defends the ticket (dumb option 2). He does the training which costs $50, tells me, and I cancel the ticket. (option 3)

I'm hoping he takes option 3. The guy in treasury who counts the fine revenue might be gutted, but I'll be stoked. Cool.

[Scuba_Steve]

Trialled the scheme today, here's how it worked.

Saw a bloke on Gasson St on a big red Triumph. 11 years old but in awesome nick.

Now I sit and wait 6 weeks to see what he does. Wanna run a sweepstake? Here's the options; he pays the $150 (dumb option 1). He defends the ticket (dumb option 2). He does the training which costs $50, tells me, and I cancel the ticket. (option 3)

I'm hoping he takes option 3. The guy in treasury who counts the fine revenue might be gutted, but I'll be stoked. Cool.

Is he allowed to do the training at 11yrs old??? good to see your not discriminating based on age tho
What about option 4? - ignore the ticket

[rastuscat]

What about option 4? - ignore the ticket

Yeah, that'll work.

[Oakie]

I like analysing stats and what I reckon would be really interesting would be to track the following by percentage:

> the broad age groups of bikers who take up the offer. Say 16-25, 26-40 and 41 and over

> the genre of bikers who take up the offer. Say all sub 250cc bikes, Jap cruiser style bikes, all other Jap b

EDIT: I would pick the 41plus year old Harley rider as least likely to take up the offer ... but not for the reason one might immediately think of...

[Kermit250]

Have a look at who retired a few weeks back:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU120...rom-police.htm

Hehe, guess your plan might just work a bit better now

All the best with this, sounds similar to how things are run over in the UK now. Just gotta bring it nationwide here.