Is 10 years enough for this prick?

[Drew]

Precisely, so why should the perp's personal history enter into the picture? Why should it be an excuse, a justification? It should never be allowed as testimony or evidence for defense...

It was not given in defense. The kid pleaded guilty to all charges.

It was however offered in the statements to the judge, for his consideration at the hearing regarding sentencing.

Now, I've been pretty clear how I feel about the guy who committed the crime. And those who supplied him with drugs, for that matter. But you need to take a wider view of things.

What say, the defendants lawyer had not offered the information that he did about upbringing? The little bastard then has a very real argument for an appeal, on the bassis that his lawyer fail to meet his LEGAL obligations for his client by not presenting all relevant information.

Again, what say in two years when his remorse has ebbed from the constant beetings and maltreatment in the clink, said little bastard decides to get a lawyer (one with less scruples than other lawyers), and make his appeal? He's older now, and can put on the act of agrieved himself for his subjections.

Lawyers have to cover their own arse, more than I have capacity to comprehend. And they swear an oath to do WHATEVER they legally can for their clients. Irrespective of crime or guilt.

[BOGAR]

It was not used in his defence but it was used as a contributing factor to reduce his sentence. Because he had it done to him should in no way be a consideration for a lesser sentence. I agree on the mitigating circumstance side of things. For instance, you are found stealing food because you are hungry. Not because you had something stolen from you. I was always lead to believe 2 wrongs don't make a right. This just shows that 2 wrongs make a not so bad in the eyes of the court. If a previous crime can be used as a defence and the person who committed that crime was not convicted then a new case should be opened and he should also be convicted. If he can not be convicted because there is not enough evidence any-more, then it can not be proven in the court thus can not be used to reduce his guilty plea. If we have to work within the court system to do things then so should everyone. I know so many people who have had to bend over backwards to prove all there statements. Having someone saying that he was abused as a kid so he can get a lighter sentence is not right. The 5 year old sounds lucky to even be alive. This was a serious and disgusting crime and should have been treated as such. To the full extent of the law. Only then as a country do we stand a chance of actually starting to say we don't want this type of treatment any more.

[Drew]

Just imagining a system in which everything that was entered into evidence was investigated. Anyone suspected of guilt tried and sentenced, and so on and so fourth.

People would respect the entire system in short time I suspect. Only thing is, we'd need a shit load more cops, courts, lawyers, and judges. I think it would raise the entire standard of living for the country, required higher taxes and all!

Back on topic though, has anyone engraved a bullet for the guy yet?

[BoristheBiter]

shooting trout is sooo unfair

Shooting trout? how do you load it?

[jaffaonajappa]

So,this 16 year old is CLEARLY a fucked up individual - a product of the society (r family) he was raised in.?

If he was 14, would 10 years be enough? What if he was 12, and committed this crime. Would 10 years be enough?

While I agree a punishment should fit the crime, and adhere to the Eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth philosophy in general....sometimes things really aren't black and white.

Oh, by the way. Cost of a 5.56mm projectile is less than one dollar. Cost of jailing this guy, probably in solitary for most of his sentence, will be several million dollars.

[Oblivion]

It's nice to know that in prison, they hate pedophiles.

Edit:

10 years in prison; 1 million$
A 5.56 round; 80c
Giving the fucker the shit that he deserves; Priceless.

[Drew]

Oh, by the way. Cost of a 5.56mm projectile is less than one dollar. Cost of jailing this guy, probably in solitary for most of his sentence, will be several million dollars.

I don't know much about firearms, but I'd pay for a 50 cal for our sniper. I have seen the range on them, (search Canadian sniper on youtube), and it gives the best chance for escape for the shooter.

[oneofsix]

So,this 16 year old is CLEARLY a fucked up individual - a product of the society (r family) he was raised in.?

Been thinking about how fucked up he is. He was sexually abused by his family, was that the Black Power Side or the Mongrel Mob side that is a bunch of homosexual kiddy fiddlers or are the woman so butt ugly that they can't even get their leg over with pissed drugged out gang bangers?

[Drew]

Why was it we can't create eunuchs out of this type of person anymore?

I'm just thinking, it'd cost a little bit to feed them hormones for the rest of their lives, but since they have a bit of a debt to society, we can put them to work helping in womens refuges and the like to pay for it.

[Swoop]

You are correct regarding the lawyers being more pedantic on covering their arses. I was with my lawyer last night and the documents he had prepared had much more "arse covering" going on than the last time I used his services.

Back on topic though, has anyone engraved a bullet for the guy yet?

Why wast money on engraving?
Just send him the normal "to whom it may concern" type.

[Zedder]

Lock 'n' load.....

[Tigadee]

The sad thing is this is the sort of thing that strengthens religious fanatics that [western or modern] society has decayed to the extent that religious laws need to be imposed or created to separately govern the nation, e.g. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran.

After all, if civil law is failing the people, what alternative is there? Soon there'll be Mormon Courts, Destiny Courts or Islamic Courts, etc... Stupid politicians, lawyers and courts don't seem to understand that - A legal system is not meant to exclude justice but to enforce it!

And do they get a big laugh from calling it Criminal Law when it's more built to protect the guilty and traumatise the innocent?

[Goblin]

Mr Bently has the right idea. The little shit should be castrated!
http://apnregionalnz.newspaperdirect...er/viewer.aspx

[Drew]

And do they get a big laugh from calling it Criminal Law when it's more built to protect the guilty and traumatise the innocent?

The basis of our system, is spot on. Innocent untill proven guilty. It's the execution of that foundation where we are falling short.

[SMOKEU]

The basis of our system, is spot on. Innocent untill proven guilty. It's the execution of that foundation where we are falling short.

Then explain to me why someone who gets accused of sustained loss of traction gets their vehicle impounded on the spot for 28 days. That's guilty until proven innocent.

Or someone who gets accused by a copyright holder for downloading pirated material. Same deal. Guilty until proven innocent.

Or someone who exceeds a permanent speed limit by more than 40kmh or a temporary one by more than 50kmh. Instant loss of license for 28 days.

The "innocent until proven guilty" thing is only there to protect criminals. The "guilty until proven innocent" is there to screw over ordinary people. The government is run by criminals, for criminals.