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When i got my bmwr1200s it had Pilot Power2cts on it and they seemed to be as good as the next set I got.Is the quality differences brand specific?Originally Posted by jrandom
Everyone has so many differnt opinions that the only review on these tyres ill trust is Drews review now due to the fact I know how he will treat them.If not ill make my next set 2cts again as they last me ok 4-5k rear 8k front and out perform my road riding leaving me spare for surprises.
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Deus ex ukulele
No, I don't. This is all news to me. Call me old fashioned but I believe that anything I buy should be how it's labelled. My GSX1250FA isn't a 650 nor is it a Honda, or is it? What other standards do OEM tyres not comply with if they are discernibly different to off-the-rack models with the same name? I am sure that New Zealand legislation relating to the sale of goods doesn't have this nonsense in mind and that there are measures that could be drawn on to protect consumers. There is a labelling issue, not to mention a marketing rort here that should be exposed. Not to mention another reason not to trust Mr Bridgestone.
"Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]
sem fiddy pilot
It's not just Mr Bridgestone... ALL of the Winnie Mandela necklace manufacturers do it.
It is even done to the extent on some tyres to have a noticeably different tread pattern.
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well said.
Why would Bridgestone want to load lower grade tyres onto new bikes anyway?That says try these you will hate them and never shop Bridgestone again.
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In the riders seat
You're deaming as Pussy stated they are labelled differently
Surely you're not dumb enough to think they are the only company that does it?
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
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One of the larger issue's with OEM tyre's are that they need to perform to very different levels and standards. For example, TUV testing in Germany has a high speed/load test that means that the tyre must maintain a huge amount of temperature, far higher than you would ever experience or generate in normal use. Because of this, that tyre is not good without that load - it doesn't get hot enough to work under most normal riding. As far as off the rack with the same name, that is incorrect, what you get on a CBRZXR1RR is a BT016 F or W or whatever the designation is, what you get on the rack is a BT016 (no further designation). There is no labelling issue. As far as a 'marketing rort' go, I think you are barking up the wrong tree - you are missing the realities that surround mass produced motorcycles - same as your 1250's suspension is awful compared to what you could buy from Ohlins. Also, if you 'Don't trust Mr Bridgestone' on that basis, I suggest you find a tyre manufacturer who doesn't appear on any major brands new Motorcycles, as this OEM spec tyre goes for every tyre manufacturer I am aware of.
Jay Lawrence #37
In the riders seat
It isn't Bridgestone, it is the Bike manufacturer
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
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It's not that they want to, it's that the tyre must work in a different way for some markets and approvals. Referring again to TUV in Germany, in some cases you can't run anything but the approved tyres - a BMW S1000RR for example can only run on Conti Sport Attack in its special S1000RR construction, Metzeler Racetec K3 INTERACT in S1000RR flavor, and Bridgestone BT016 S1000RR.
Jay Lawrence #37
Deus ex ukulele
All of this "oh and by the way everybody knows that OEMs are different to off the racks" has actually got me really steamed.
Are these new S20s being fitted to any bikes as OEM? If yes, are they are a "genuine" S20 or a Shit 20 invented by Bridgestone to get market penetration? If yes, what guarantee does a tyre purchaser have that they're being sold an S20 or a Shit 20?
This flippant revelation actually begs more questions, for me at least, then it answers.
"Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]
Deus ex ukulele
They're both complicit in this deception. The double standard is still a double standard.
"Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]
sem fiddy pilot
The new gixxer 1000 has S20s.
Bridgestone are NOT doing a shifty. They are supplying what Suzuki have specfied they want.
I actually preferred the OEM BT 014s on my sem fiddy to the over-the-counter ones.
As previously mentioned, the OEM BT016 on the 08-10m sem fiddy was two compound rear, whilst the retail ones are three.
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OHHH FORK it all next you will be telling me the best Nike are made in Japan but the one we are born with are made in China.
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Deus ex ukulele
So tyre reviews published by internationally recognised reviewers are a waste of time then? I've never read a review that mentions whether a tyre is an F or a W, only good for German conditions, or whatever. If there are such differences, then why aren't these widely promoted or acknowledged in point of sale labelling?
Yes, my bike's suspension is not as good as Mr Ohlin's fine product. But Mr Suzuki has the good sense not to imply that it does. If Mr Bridgestone makes a tyre with the equivalent of a standard Bandit and a tyre with exactly the same designation as a Bandit with Ohlins, then why is that kept secret, or at least not fully disclosed to purchasers? I know which one I'd buy, particularly if the retail price was the same.
"Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]
Deus ex ukulele
But a shifty is being done. People are being led to believe that what they're buying off the rack is the same as what's fitted as OEM.
"Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]
sem fiddy pilot
You won't find many genuine OEM tyres available for sale in NZ.
When say the new S20 is reviewed in magazines, they will be the over-the-counter ones.
Seriously, it's NOT deception. I thought it was common knowledge that OEMs can be quite different to garden variety tyres.
Edit: I'm looking forward to trying the S20s.
Even when I changed to BT016s after Metzler M3s, I felt like I had "got my bike back".
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