Don't buy this.

**tigertim20** · 17th March 2012, 21:28

Originally Posted by Flip

Why would you ever want to get anybody who has a NZS4711 ticket which is a structural steel welding qualification to weld an alumiminium casting is beyond me.

I have welded many new alumiminium fabrications onto old crank cases and have never had a problem. The guy I got to do my high strength welding worked for a company who made the aumiminium fuel road tankers, the stuff I did myself was not as tidy but I have never had any problems.

in my quote you have missed the part where I said ....

"4711 for example"

for example being the operative words. Im not particularly familiar with the model of bike referred to, so cannot speak as to the materials being welded, my point related to the measure of a weld's qaulity as assessed by eyesight.

**nonplussed** · 18th March 2012, 09:19

Originally Posted by Drew

You really can't. As someone said, to get your 4711 ticket they hacksaw a sample in half and x-ray it. To check penetration of the weld material into the original bits.

Welding aluminium is SOOOO fuckin hard to get pretty, but it is easier to see how well the weld material has penetrated. Basically, if the welds look porous they wont stick. They can be bubbly, wonky, humpty dumty, and nothing to worry about, but if they look like lava once it's dried it's weak.

Oh fuck, haven't you heard the saying, "it's better to keep your mouth shut and for everyone to think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and prove it"?

I have the benefit of an honours degree in engineering and being a qualified weld inspector, let alone having worked in a metalurgy lab in Oz. So I've been asked my opinion on a few welds..

If you think lumpy welds (bubbly, wonky, humpty dumpty, to quote you) are strong by looking at them and you are able to see how well they've penetrated a closed section, i'll just throw all my x-ray gear away and employ you!

4711?? Hacksaw and x-ray? What about tensiles? charpy? macro? root/face bend? haz hardness?

More to the point, why hasn't this trader not shown the area in dispute below the headstock and not just had the questions removed? Should a crashed bike with uninspected/uncertified welding done on a structural part of the frame not be disclosed on sale? Ignorance i can forgive, a blatant cover up is criminal negligence. All it needed was a photo to prove me a liar....

I know a guy that knows the guy that had this bike, he'd bought it and didn't know about the weld, I always said it looked terrible but it never broke, he never wheelied it though... hope the new guy isn't a wheelie king... or at least he can land softly....

**Drew** · 18th March 2012, 10:34

Originally Posted by nonplussed

Oh fuck, haven't you heard the saying, "it's better to keep your mouth shut and for everyone to think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and prove it"?

I have the benefit of an honours degree in engineering and being a qualified weld inspector, let alone having worked in a metalurgy lab in Oz. So I've been asked my opinion on a few welds..

If you think lumpy welds (bubbly, wonky, humpty dumpty, to quote you) are strong by looking at them and you are able to see how well they've penetrated a closed section, i'll just throw all my x-ray gear away and employ you!

4711?? Hacksaw and x-ray? What about tensiles? charpy? macro? root/face bend? haz hardness?

More to the point, why hasn't this trader not shown the area in dispute below the headstock and not just had the questions removed? Should a crashed bike with uninspected/uncertified welding done on a structural part of the frame not be disclosed on sale? Ignorance i can forgive, a blatant cover up is criminal negligence. All it needed was a photo to prove me a liar....

I know a guy that knows the guy that had this bike, he'd bought it and didn't know about the weld, I always said it looked terrible but it never broke, he never wheelied it though... hope the new guy isn't a wheelie king... or at least he can land softly....

I was refering to the question someone else asked about something he was looking to buy. Who's the idiot?

You're pretty fuckin cagey about who you are exactly, why should we trust you any more than the seller?

If you're the expert who's opinion shouldn't be questioned, why have you not contacted the MTA about the matter?

All these questions lead me, to think you're a fuckwit with a chip on your shoulder.

**mossy1200** · 18th March 2012, 10:48

Originally Posted by nonplussed

Oh fuck, haven't you heard the saying, "it's better to keep your mouth shut and for everyone to think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and prove it"?

I have the benefit of an honours degree in engineering and being a qualified weld inspector, let alone having worked in a metalurgy lab in Oz. So I've been asked my opinion on a few welds..

If you think lumpy welds (bubbly, wonky, humpty dumpty, to quote you) are strong by looking at them and you are able to see how well they've penetrated a closed section, i'll just throw all my x-ray gear away and employ you!

4711?? Hacksaw and x-ray? What about tensiles? charpy? macro? root/face bend? haz hardness?

More to the point, why hasn't this trader not shown the area in dispute below the headstock and not just had the questions removed? Should a crashed bike with uninspected/uncertified welding done on a structural part of the frame not be disclosed on sale? Ignorance i can forgive, a blatant cover up is criminal negligence. All it needed was a photo to prove me a liar....

I know a guy that knows the guy that had this bike, he'd bought it and didn't know about the weld, I always said it looked terrible but it never broke, he never wheelied it though... hope the new guy isn't a wheelie king... or at least he can land softly....

Maybe you should have reported the bike to the authorities and not to Kiwibiker.
All you did was touch a very small percentage of motorcyclists in New Zealand and MAYBE changed the sale value of the bike.Posting here was never going to prevent the sale of the bike or change its safety.

Result bike is still sold.

**flyingcrocodile46** · 18th March 2012, 12:38

Originally Posted by mossy1200

Maybe you should have reported the bike to the authorities and not to Kiwibiker.
All you did was touch a very small percentage of motorcyclists in New Zealand and MAYBE changed the sale value of the bike.Posting here was never going to prevent the sale of the bike or change its safety.

Result bike is still sold.

Exactly. If he was motivated by concerns over the buyers safety and had any real weight to his allegations he would or should have made them known to the relevant authority.

The fact that he has approached the issue the way he has and continues to conceal any credible motives for his actions, is strongly suggestive of the matter being more about a personal grievance, lovers spat or somesuch.

**ducatilover** · 18th March 2012, 13:25

Someone who is supposedly very intelligent and rides a Harley?

Does not compute.

**Drew** · 18th March 2012, 18:13

Originally Posted by mossy1200

Maybe you should have reported the bike to the authorities and not to Kiwibiker.
All you did was touch a very small percentage of motorcyclists in New Zealand and MAYBE changed the sale value of the bike.Posting here was never going to prevent the sale of the bike or change its safety.

Result bike is still sold.

Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46

Exactly. If he was motivated by concerns over the buyers safety and had any real weight to his allegations he would or should have made them known to the relevant authority.

The fact that he has approached the issue the way he has and continues to conceal any credible motives for his actions, is strongly suggestive of the matter being more about a personal grievance, lovers spat or somesuch.

Originally Posted by ducatilover

Someone who is supposedly very intelligent and rides a Harley?

Does not compute.

Well, there ya go 'nonplussed'. If I'm not the only one that thinks you're full of shit, and we're using what the onlookers think as the gauge, it would appear that you're the idiot, no?

Fuck off and peddle your personal issues with likeminded fuckwits.

**tigertim20** · 18th March 2012, 18:20

Originally Posted by Drew

Well, there ya go 'nonplussed'. If I'm not the only one that thinks you're full of shit, and we're using what the onlookers think as the gauge, it would appear that you're the idiot, no?

Fuck off and peddle your personal issues with likeminded fuckwits.

lmao, tell us what ya really think!!

If nonplussed was legit, theyd have no problem putting their name behind their claims, since they are so highly qualified and all . . .

**FROSTY:Me** · 19th March 2012, 08:43

Hey guys just to throw fuel on the fire. Don't TL thou's have pretty darn uggly welding around the headstock as factory?

**fastoyz** · 19th March 2012, 09:01

He is also selling a gpx250 with a BENT FRAME, i viewed this at the insurance company, front wheel near touching the lower fairing, paint flaked around steering head welds, but the forks are straight

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=455673599

if any1 isnt black listed ask why the wheels so close & for a pic of the steering head welds, if he doesnt get trademe to remove it will be interesting to see what he has to say

**Fast Eddie** · 19th March 2012, 09:04

hes mentioned its an insurance write off on the auction, hes stated that it needs repairs and a repair cert etc etc.

give it a break

**fastoyz** · 19th March 2012, 09:39

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

hes mentioned its an insurance write off on the auction, hes stated that it needs repairs and a repair cert etc etc.

give it a break

hes also mentioned theres a pin dent in the tank, but i guess thats more useful info than a bent frame?

**ducatilover** · 19th March 2012, 10:35

Originally Posted by fastoyz

hes also mentioned theres a pin dent in the tank, but i guess thats more useful info than a bent frame?

There's front rim damage mentioned.
If you think you're buying a bike with a munted front rim and no fork damage...well, you'd have to be a bit soft in the head.