MotoGP 2012

[Crasherfromwayback]

The post-race interview was a classic.


Unlike you and your mate Darren Sweetman, I can't tell much about a rider's style by looking at him. But for what it's worth, I agree that "Casey relies 100% on his TC" is bollocks. They all use their TC and they all need to trust it do what they expect, but that's not the same as saying they'd be unable to adjust if they didn't have it. Many other riders have commented on Casey's incredible throttle control and I suspect he'd cope without TC better than anyone else.

Yeah I thought it was funny too. I don't claim to know all there is to know regarding bikes and racing. But I think it's pretty plain to see who is ragged and on the edge agressive (Stoner) and who is smooth and incredibly precise (Lorenzo). Chalk and cheese those two.

But yeah...the whole Stoner and his TC thing is a total crock, always has been. You don't win as many dirt track titles as he has not knowing what fantastic throttle control is. Like Kenny Roberts, Freddie Spencer, Eddie Lawson etc before him...they all knew how to do it at high speed on the dirt first.

FWIW...if I was to tell someone the best racer to watch if you want to be a good racer, it'd be Lorenzo I'd be teling them to copy. He's a fucking robot. Like Eddie Lawson was.

[Brian d marge]

Good little read here.

He confirms what I and others have been saying, the V , with the current tyres , just dont work,

by definition the cog is placed rearwards , unloading the tyre under acceleration, making it run wide ( think chopper !)

possibly braking as well though Im not sure on that

The rev limiters I was unaware of and may place more emphasis in cornering , not sure

If I were Rossi I would stay at Ducati , use the Italian way of doing things , pull strings and save all faces , Phillip Morris , jb , his and Ducatis

IMHO

Stephen

[SimJen]

Yeah I thought it was funny too. I don't claim to know all there is to know regarding bikes and racing. But I think it's pretty plain to see who is ragged and on the edge agressive (Stoner) and who is smooth and incredibly precise (Lorenzo). Chalk and cheese those two.

But yeah...the whole Stoner and his TC thing is a total crock, always has been. You don't win as many dirt track titles as he has not knowing what fantastic throttle control is. Like Kenny Roberts, Freddie Spencer, Eddie Lawson etc before him...they all knew how to do it at high speed on the dirt first.

FWIW...if I was to tell someone the best racer to watch if you want to be a good racer, it'd be Lorenzo I'd be teling them to copy. He's a fucking robot. Like Eddie Lawson was.

Casey has amazing throttle control, but so does Hayden (dirt man), Rossi (500's!!!), Edwards (SBK etc). Not really any form of argument, I think its fair to say they can all spin it up!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Casey has amazing throttle control, but so does Hayden (dirt man), Rossi (500's!!!), Edwards (SBK etc). Not really any form of argument, I think its fair to say they can all spin it up!

Of course they can. JUst some hang it out more than others, and I love watching it more so than wheels in line a-la Lorenzo.

[slowpoke]

Of course they can. JUst some hang it out more than others, and I love watching it more so than wheels in line a-la Lorenzo.

Me too mate. Sooner they go the BSB spec ECU route the better. Lets face it, road TC/electronics are so far removed from what these guys use that MotoGP electrickery has virtually no application.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Me too mate. Sooner they go the BSB spec ECU route the better. Lets face it, road TC/electronics are so far removed from what these guys use that MotoGP electrickery has virtually no application.

I reckon mate.

[trustme]

Stoner is smarter about where he hangs it out & how than anyone else at the moment . Does Stoner have better throttle control ?? Through the infield at Indy a couple of years ago the bikes could all be heard having the electrickery chime in except for Stoner. Everyone said he had the trickery turned down, nope it was just the same as Haydens bike , just better throttle control.
Lorenzo comes from 250's & reminds me of the Ago's , Sheenes & co who were used to bikes that needed smooth riding & good corner speed. Stoner reminds me of Roberts who came from a dirt track background & is quite happy to mix things up a bit, getting loose & slidey is quite normal for them. Stoner is quite good at evaluating the fast way round a corner & modifying his style to suit , he likes the electrickery toned down , it enables him to go faster, he is not simply a strong right wrist.

[Brian d marge]

I reckon mate.

unfortunatelythe fasted way round the track tends to be the most unspectacular ,,,top gear in a reasonably priced car ???

i love the telemetry electrickertry ...just wish they would show us on the telly , ie stoners was this , Rossis was that ,,,,,

Stephen

[BMWST?]

The fastest guy in the world?
One of the fastest, maybe.
The best rider on sub-standard machinery, definitely.
Also I don't think "..the fastest guy in the world.." would be so underdone as to suffer from arm pump.

There are several guys out there, including Dani & George, and maybe even Marc, who may be as fast or faster.
Until there's a race where fully fit riders race on identical machines, we'll never know.

the no on the front of his bike confers him the status on fastest dont you think?

[jellywrestler]

Had to laugh reading the latest edition of 'Kiwirider' magazine.

Hehehehe, someone actually reads Kiwirider!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hehehehe, someone actually reads Kiwirider!

Good for a laugh now and then mate!

[pritch]

Stoner's arm pump has been attributed by several sources to a new pair of gloves. He had worn the previous pair for an unusually long time. (Considering that his gloves are free. ) This is not considered by the pundits to be a superstition thing, more a matter of comfort.

Jerez is apparently waaay different to Qatar as to the demands on the rider, shorter straights, less likely to induce pump, so we may not know if the problem is cured for a while yet.

Another rider (Spies?) reportedly gets the crew chief to break his gloves in before he uses them in a race.

[Crasherfromwayback]

unfortunatelythe fasted way round the track tends to be the most unspectacular ,,,top gear in a reasonably priced car ???

Most of the time yes. But I'm sure there are plenty of corners where it's best to square them off early and get the fuck outta there.

Stoner seems to go through turn 3 at Phillip Island faster than anyone else. And he does that at 260 kph sideways.

[Mental Trousers]

Stoner seems to go through turn 3 at Phillip Island faster than anyone else. And he does that at 260 kph sideways.

He's fastest there because he is sideways. It's one of those corners where arse-out-of-line works really well cos it sets you up for the next corner. Everyone else has to come back across but he's already on the right line.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He's fastest there because he is sideways. It's one of those corners where arse-out-of-line works really well cos it sets you up for the next corner. Everyone else has to come back across but he's already on the right line.

Aye. Spies got it all wrong there last year! If you've been to PI, and seen Stoner doing it in the flesh...it's fucking awesome!