Failed twice on my restrict test

[FJRider]

It would depend if it was a fixed sign or one the road works has put up wouldn't it? If it was a permanent sign that was there before the road works it shouldn't have any bearing on your speed in relation to the road works.....Otherwise roadworks out in the wop wops where signs can be 5 kms apart would mean you would be doing 40km/h for freakin ages........

Did he not state there was a 30 km speed sign for the roadworks. Past the "works end" sign he sped up ... BUT this was prior to the sign indicating the change to a higher speed zone.

[tigertim20]

Well there you go Original Poster,

you have it officially confirmed the KiwiBiker way.... fail twice and you are a useless piece of crap rider, yadayadayada.....

I assume that is directed at my response, fair enough I guess.
What I was tryig to point out was that, at the point where you go for your restricted, you take extra effort over your usual daily riding, knowing that youre being tested. If in doing this you still fail, thats a concern, as it means youve been riding outside of the road rules for quite some time - thats a bit of a worry for the rider.
To fail, the go away, work on it, and still fail says that there is a pretty severe misunderstanding there somewhere, the rider needs to put the bike in the garage, and spend a couple weeks going over the rules/laws, and maiking damned sure they have them down pat.
Then pull the bike out again and go put it into practice.

My initial post probably seemed a tad harsh, but the last fucking thing I want to see is a new rider killed or maimed because they are riding around ignorant of the basic rules that might prevent their death

[Nzpure]

And increased the speed just after "work end" sign, I saw there was a permanent 50K sign after it at 20meters away. .

Did he not state there was a 30 km speed sign for the roadworks. Past the "works end" sign he sped up ... BUT this was prior to the sign indicating the change to a higher speed zone.

As OP said it was a permanent road sign so she was being a stupid bitch.

[Armi]

I sat my restricted a couple of weeks ago and the tester said learners are only allowed to go 70 but he would need me to get to 80. I just informed him that the law regarding that was changed ages ago and off we went.

[FJRider]

As OP said it was a permanent road sign so she was being a stupid bitch.

But somehow I still failed today. I was told I got 100% positive at the first test section. The reason of failure was I was riding 40K on 30K temporary area during the second section. I totally disagree with the officer. I am sure I definitely reduced my speed to 30K from 50K just reached sign. And increased the speed just after "work end" sign,

I saw there was a permanent 50K sign after it at 20meters away. She told me I had to increase my speed after the 50K sign - I increased my speed too early. Is this correct?

It was a Restricted rider test ... being a picky bitch is her job. He increased speed early. Even if it was only 20 metres early.

Licence tests are to be taken seriously ... no silly obvious fail actions.

[tigertim20]

It was a Restricted rider test ... being a picky bitch is her job. He increased speed early. Even if it was only 20 metres early.

Licence tests are to be taken seriously ... no silly obvious fail actions.

yup, accelerate early during the test, what do you do when not being tested?

[Mom]

OMG! Someone failed their test for not being competent!

TWICE!!!!!

J.M. & his wife...

0800 4 LESSON

Roadcraft School of Motorcycling. www.rcsom.co.nz

Get some learning in ya!

[GrayWolf]

My initial post probably seemed a tad harsh, but the last fucking thing I want to see is a new rider killed or maimed because they are riding around ignorant of the basic rules that might prevent their death

Yes you are correct it was in response to that post.
What 'disturbs' me here frequently is the amount of 'harsh replies' given with not thinking from the other end of the stick. if the positions were reversed, and it was you as the 'just failed twice' OP and received that type of response, it's either going to close your mind or make you angry? I am sure that if some one spoke to your face in that way you would likely respond in a similar fashion, likely telling them to sling their hook.
I understand your 'motive' but do you really think that type of 'attack' is productive?

[FJRider]

yup, accelerate early during the test, what do you do when not being tested?

Winge and moan it appears ... he seem's like a "I got a speeding ticket, how do I get off it" type poster in the (near) future ...

[Nzpure]

It was a Restricted rider test ... being a picky bitch is her job. He increased speed early. Even if it was only 20 metres early.

Licence tests are to be taken seriously ... no silly obvious fail actions.

How is it being picky? It was a permanent road sign....It has nothing to do with the road works that just so happen do be in the vicinity of the works. It has no bearing on the road works. As i said before if the speed sign was a roadworks sign placed there then he was an igit for speeding up but it wasn't. If he was doing it in a rural area with road works he'd have to wait 10 minutes before he saw another one.....
Some testers are just idiots, I was marked down for riding in the right hand wheel track as apparently i should stay in the middle of the lane and ""own the road"".

[tigertim20]

Yes you are correct it was in response to that post.
What 'disturbs' me here frequently is the amount of 'harsh replies' given with not thinking from the other end of the stick. if the positions were reversed, and it was you as the 'just failed twice' OP and received that type of response, it's either going to close your mind or make you angry? I am sure that if some one spoke to your face in that way you would likely respond in a similar fashion, likely telling them to sling their hook.
I understand your 'motive' but do you really think that type of 'attack' is productive?

I dont think that a coddling attitude 'oh, its ok, youve only failed 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 times, youll get there' is necessarily the way to approach the subject either.

Sometimes, harsh is whats required, make the person realise they are on a fucking bike, they failed their restricted test twice, but they are still riding around( on a regular basis no doubt) with a clear lack of understanding of the road rules.
They arent in a car, cocooned by a steel safety shell with airbags and side intrusion bars, theyre on a fuckin bike, ignorant of the rules. One fuckup at a give way could = death.

Like I said, sometimes a harsh and sobering attitude is whats required to make someone realise the seriousness of the potential repercussions, if they dont realise the seriousness of it, they arent likely to take to learning with any gusto are they?

if my post comes across as harsh, well good, riding around on a motorcycle with an ignorance of the road rules is a pretty serious matter, and it should be impressed upon the rider as such.

[98tls]

I can't believe I failed twice on my restrict exam in Northcross test centre. I've been driving 50+/day safe and reliable all the time for 8months already. The first one I went was on the end of March. The reason of failure was when I tried to turn left on 80K open highway, I reduced speed too much in the middle of the lane, instead of I should pull left first and then reduced speed. This is a bit hard, as I didn't familiar with the road, kept speed limit 80K at the same time I had to look for a street to turn left when the test officer asked me to "turn left at the next street". So about in month time after this, I practiced a lot in Browns bay area to get familiar of the road.

But somehow I still failed today. I was told I got 100% positive at the first test section. The reason of failure was I was riding 40K on 30K temporary area during the second section. I totally disagree with the officer. I am sure I definitely reduced my speed to 30K from 50K just reached sign. And increased the speed just after "work end" sign, I saw there was a permanent 50K sign after it at 20meters away. She told me I had to increase my speed after the 50K sign - I increased my speed too early. Is this correct?

And another thing is she told me in the instruction just before we started "as you are learner, you can't over the speed limit 80K!" What?? Where the speed limit 80K come from? The only rule I learned is the speed limit 70K for learner has already been removed since 1st Oct last year.

Not happy with the professional level of the test officer, I feel I am wasting money and losing confidence and passion and learning nothing instead of lots of confusing from different test officer. I feel even though I practiced 100 times I could be failed easily due to any small reason. Should I keep giving them $80? Why not I just stay with learner, I think is okay forever....

Mate next time just treat her as you would when shagging a fat chick,pretend shes not there and concentrate on the job at hand.

[tigertim20]

Winge and moan it appears ... he seem's like a "I got a speeding ticket, how do I get off it" type poster in the (near) future ...

lol maybe, but maybe its just a vent. If the poster has genuinely tried to improve, they migth be suffering from a self inflicted case of stage fright by psyching themselves out after a fail, and wondering how to fix it.

I stick by what Ive said, yup, its serious, yup you need to pick your fucking game up, but do it by taking breather, refresh yourself on the theory, and make sure you have that down pat, THEN get back on the bike and practice it.

How is it being picky? .

I dont think he was trying to say the tester was being picky, he was pointing out that its a test to see if you can ride safely and not kill yourself, and as such, you should EXPECT the tester to be pedantic, and still religiously to the letter of the law, and penalise you for each and every mistake.

[Nzpure]

I dont think that a coddling attitude 'oh, its ok, youve only failed 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 times, youll get there' is necessarily the way to approach the subject either.

Sometimes, harsh is whats required, make the person realise they are on a fucking bike, they failed their restricted test twice, but they are still riding around( on a regular basis no doubt) with a clear lack of understanding of the road rules.
They arent in a car, cocooned by a steel safety shell with airbags and side intrusion bars, theyre on a fuckin bike, ignorant of the rules. One fuckup at a give way could = death.

Like I said, sometimes a harsh and sobering attitude is whats required to make someone realise the seriousness of the potential repercussions, if they dont realise the seriousness of it, they arent likely to take to learning with any gusto are they?

if my post comes across as harsh, well good, riding around on a motorcycle with an ignorance of the road rules is a pretty serious matter, and it should be impressed upon the rider as such.

Question is would you have the balls to say it to his face? keyboard warrior



Sorry i had too.

[FJRider]

How is it being picky? It was a permanent road sign....It has nothing to do with the road works that just so happen do be in the vicinity of the works. It has no bearing on the road works. As i said before if the speed sign was a roadworks sign placed there then he was an igit for speeding up but it wasn't. If he was doing it in a rural area with road works he'd have to wait 10 minutes before he saw another one.....
Some testers are just idiots, I was marked down for riding in the right hand wheel track as apparently i should stay in the middle of the lane and ""own the road"".

If the permanant speed sign is at the end of a roadworks area ... it is a legal end to a temporary speed zone. A Works end sign is not the end of the temporary speed zone ... as a set distance is required after the roadworks area before any increase of speed is permitted. There are hard and fast measurements laid down (severe penaltys for those that get caught doing it wrong) for the placement of signs showing start and finish of each change of speed zone.