Ye old whinging students?

[Oscar]

What do you mean by people conditioned to ''vote for a living''?

Or people like you who don't bother voting and then have the arrogance to tell the rest of us what to do?

[Swoop]

Nothing wrong with learning those but the duplication across multiple institutions creates waste and mediocrity.

The TROQ review is all about reducing that.

[BoristheBiter]

Not on any pie graph I've ever seen.

You guys are no fun today.

One thing i did notice was that as of 2004 more were on the DPB than the unemployment.

[mashman]

The French have just voted for more Government, just watch that country go down the gurgler as well.
Governments everywhere are struggling with crippling debt because of many years of overspending and state handouts. Yes you state many other factors that are true enough but when you are digging a hole that is getting you into debt ( overspending ) you dont keep digging. Look at what that idiot Gordon Brown did to help cripple the UK.
The state in fact does not owe everyone a living, at ALL levels of society and wealth.

I fail to see why the French will head down the gurgler as we move into another boom... even with a socialist govt at the helm .
Governments everywhere are struggling with crippling debt because they're BAU governments, no more, no less and as such that includes state handouts. What's the alternative to state handouts? other than homelessness, poverty, hunger and death? Or is that ok? As I've said before and will say again, the country requires a percentage of its population to be unemployed in order to help keep inflation in check and by default yours and my money worth what it's worth (which is less and less these days). Working harder does not add more money to my salary and is not a "remedy" for increasing my bottom line (unless my employer decides to value my contribution, which is definitely not a given). May I suggest that you write to JK and ask him to stop digging such great holes then... much bigger under the current govt than at any time in NZ's history I believe.
As or Brown, he committed the cardinal sin and wanted to further regulate the banks and as it turned out they didn't like the idea much and the country suffered. I'm not saying that was his only "failure", but it really really didn't help matters. As you mention no country is immune, so where is the money going?
The state does owe people a living, in some form or other, especially where there is no work for them or indeed they have worked their entire lives and need to be looked after (shame the pension/super goes less far each year)... after all there's a small number of people who refuse to work (I get closer and closer to wanting to join them by the day) and that's fine by me if a percentage of the country are required to be unemployed (inflation). So why gripe about them when there's nothing that can be done about that? As far as the other end of the scale goes, close every tax loophole that is available (incentive my arse). There are plenty and those in govt no doubt know exactly what they are.

[mashman]

Or people like you who don't bother voting and then have the arrogance to tell the rest of us what to do?

Your loss of memory and lack of comprehension skills still serving you well I see.

[BoristheBiter]

Your loss of memory and lack of comprehension skills still serving you well I see.

but you don't vote and tell us how it should be done so whats wrong with his statement?

[mashman]

but you don't vote and tell us how it should be done so whats wrong with his statement?

I make a "principled" decision not to vote, as I have stated many a time. I do not tell the rest of you what to do, neither do I tell you how it should be done.

[BoristheBiter]

I make a "principled" decision not to vote, as I have stated many a time. I do not tell the rest of you what to do, neither do I tell you how it should be done.

What have you been smoking today or have just not hit the go switch

So his comment "you don't vote " is correct.

You tell us how you would do it so therefore you "tell the rest of us what to do"

Therefore his comment is correct.

[steve_t]

I make a "principled" decision not to vote, as I have stated many a time. I do not tell the rest of you what to do, neither do I tell you how it should be done.

What's "principled" about not participating in the democratic process? Can of worms?

[oldrider]

the biggest component of the "handout" is to the oldies , the pension from memory its nearly HALF of the welfare handout ...cuts anyone??

Stephen

From the age of 15 I thought I was investing in my current (retired) situation through my "contribution" to the countries taxation system for over 40 years!

I would gladly suffer a reduction in my pension to support the education of our youth, if I could be sure that that is where it would actually go to!

IMHO investment in our youth (our future) is a higher return on investment than is the investment in our elderly (the past) if there needed to be a choice made!

On the other hand do any of you believe that the current situation has arisen as a result of "prudent" management of our countries financial resources?

As you can quite clearly see, if there needs to be choice made to correct the anomaly, it is clearly a choice to change the people and systems that have caused it!

Like tidying your garage, it is no use shifting the shit from side to side and declaring a good job well done!

You have to actually "throw the shit out" and put only the stuff that "works for you" in the place that the shit used to occupy!

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome is just plain pure fucking stupidity!

"Social debt" (current system) does not deliver anything except stifling and crippling debt, the world is basking in it!

"Social Credit" (the only current alternative on offer) will reverse the cost-debt spiral cycle and set us on a path of recovery!

It's your choice of course!

[scott411]

i agree that the pension age needs to be raised, and it should have been 3 years ago to be 67 now, and in the next 10 years it should be around 70ish,

i doubt by the time i get there it will even be around,

[mashman]

What's "principled" about not participating in the democratic process? Can of worms?

Fucked if I know, I just wanna argue or it could be that none of the current party's deserve my vote as none of them are aligned with how I'd like to see the country run. I won't just use it because I have it, unlike the majority it would seem. Unlike those idiots that voted the Nats in a) because they wanted Labour out, b) even though they don't want asset sales, c) because there's no-one else to vote for, so may as well vote similarly to my nearest and dearest because they must know what they're voting for...

[Oscar]

Your loss of memory and lack of comprehension skills still serving you well I see.

You said you didn't vote.
Shall I find the post that proves you to be a liar as well as an idiot?

[mashman]

You said you didn't vote.
Shall I find the post that proves you to be a liar as well as an idiot?

I also gave a reason for it other than not bothering to.
No, please don't, I don't think I could bare it. My mental state, as you know, is so fragile that it could push me over the hedge. Although it would be good grounds for my application as a political candidate.

[Oscar]

I also gave a reason for it other than not bothering to.
No, please don't, I don't think I could bare it. My mental state, as you know, is so fragile that it could push me over the hedge. Although it would be good grounds for my application as a political candidate.

If you can't be bothered to vote, why should anyone listen to you?