A unique problem with SI Buckets

[Kickaha]

Oh well, I guess I should just feel lucky that I actually got to experience a BOB and a couple of GPs before I could no longer qualify to even start.

Cant say I ever considered you a problem at that meeting

[dangerous]

Oh well, I guess I should just feel lucky that I actually got to experience a BOB and a couple of GPs before I could no longer qualify to even start.

No T, the riders and bikes that are at question are well slower than you could ever be, and we are talking even coming from me heaps a shit old YB's for example that are past it.

[Trudes]

Cant say I ever considered you a problem at that meeting

Aww thanks, but it was snowing, sure your brain hadn't frozen?
I have a better bike now and surely riding faster, but it seems everyone else is riding significantly faster than then also!
Never to mind, it was FUN while it lasted! That BOB was probably the most fun I've had racing, probably because I was riding a heap of shit and it was snowing, (and I lapped my hubby!)

[Trudes]

No T, the riders and bikes that are at question are well slower than you could ever be, and we are talking even coming from me heaps a shit old YB's for example that are past it.

Shit! That is saying something!!

So maybe on the shorter tracks like the kart tracks old heaps of shit would still be ok, but not on the longer tracks where the flash bikes are going a shit load faster?
We don't want to totally discourage people starting out on an old shitter, just don't take it to Ruapuna or Taupo, right?

[Yow Ling]

We don't want to totally discourage people starting out on an old shitter, just don't take it to Ruapuna or Taupo, right?

I think we should discourage people from buying shitters, they dont do themselves or buckets a favour by having them, all they do is continue the myth that buckets are or should be pieces of shit, when in fact they are a full on racing class, with good gear etc.

how many times have you seen somebody turn up with a heap of shit , pay the money and spend all day trying to make the bike last more than a few laps. Apart from woody racer how many times have you seen this happen to somebody with an FXR?

Trudes, I think you are taking this personally , its just a discussion on how to make Buckets safer and better, not every race should be open to everyone as of right, if you have the miles under your belt you probably dont fit into the risk group that concerns me.

[Henk]

I disagree on the "no shitters" sentiment. They have their place as a cheap and easy way into buckets, there are a few up here that have passed through a few sets of hands and those that start with them usually move onto something better in time. If I had had to drop the price of a half decent FXR as the cost of entry I would probably still be hacking around on a dirt bike instead.
My first bucket at $300 for an XL125 based pile of crap has led to two F4 bikes two F5 bikes and half a sidecar in the fleet as well as getting mates into the game. Admittedly we mainly run kart tracks where the speeds aren't as high and where we tend to have the place to ourselves for the day. June we ran F4, F5, B grade and C grade for the first time. Would have run trikes as well but only one turned up. This means we don't have the issue with high closing speeds and people getting lapped so regularly so the points above probably don't add much to the discussion.
We probably have more issues with inexperienced riders on A grade capable bikes riding with A grade aggression in the B grade but that probably can't be helped either.
I like the hi vis idea and we use that to a degree up here, I also like the mentor idea which we don't really do in a formal manner in Auckland but may bear serious consideration.

[richban]

A grade capable bikes riding with A grade aggression in the B grade but that probably can't be helped either.
I like the hi vis idea and we use that to a degree up here, I also like the mentor idea which we don't really do in a formal manner in Auckland but may bear serious consideration.

The B grade meat grinder scares the crap out of me. More aggression there than any A grade race I have watched lately. Yeah mentoring is the way to go. Someone like Dave M or Gary would be great up your end.

[Henk]

Ran the 100 in B a couple of months ago, fortunately I managed to go under the cut off so that isn't possible for me any more. B grade races were OK because after the start things have largely sorted themselves out. The warm up laps on the other hand, FECK!

[Trudes]

I think we should discourage people from buying shitters, they dont do themselves or buckets a favour by having them, all they do is continue the myth that buckets are or should be pieces of shit, when in fact they are a full on racing class, with good gear etc.

how many times have you seen somebody turn up with a heap of shit , pay the money and spend all day trying to make the bike last more than a few laps. Apart from woody racer how many times have you seen this happen to somebody with an FXR?

Trudes, I think you are taking this personally , its just a discussion on how to make Buckets safer and better, not every race should be open to everyone as of right, if you have the miles under your belt you probably dont fit into the risk group that concerns me.

Not taking anything personally, at no point did I do this
Why is it that the guys think the chicks are taking it personally?
Anyway, I don't know how things are going elsewhere in the country but I often see Wellington people who show interest in the class be told "yeah nylon up that shitty old hunk of crap that's been sitting in your grandad's shed for 20 years and we'll have fun trying to get the bugger to go, and even if it doesn't someone will give you a go on theirs." Some people still enjoy pissing about with old heaps of shit, amazing what you learn when things don't work first pop and you have to take it apart and work out why.
I wouldn't encourage anyone to buy a piece of shit, but that's where some people have to start.
Not everyone wants to race a FXR or a CBR.
And here I WILL get personal. The day I feel I HAVE to ride a 4stroke is the day I stop.

[cotswold]

[Someone like Dave M or Gary would be great up your end.[/QUOTE]

Sorry but not keen on having either up my end thank you very much

[gav]

I think we should discourage people from buying shitters, they dont do themselves or buckets a favour by having them, all they do is continue the myth that buckets are or should be pieces of shit, when in fact they are a full on racing class, with good gear etc.

Ahhh, this explains why you buy up so many old shitters, you are helping other people out by taking them off the market!

[dangerous]

I think we should discourage people from buying shitters, they dont do themselves or buckets a favour by having them, all they do is continue the myth that buckets are or should be pieces of shit, when in fact they are a full on racing class, with good gear etc..

and... this is were I disagree...
'buckets' have been since the beginning of time just that 'buckets' its the battle of the BUCKETS the BUCKET MC club... not battle of the F4's or the F4 MC club... Bucket founders would be rolling in there graves knowing what you want to take away the hole idea of 'bucket racing'

The BOB is a endurance race, about the bike, whos POS bucket would last and whos wouldent, not an extened sprint race for the fastast of fast.
Yes time moves on, what we have cant be helped, however I do believe what you explain is called F1 why you are to sceared to race that I dont know, buckets were never ment to be a race track class, but it has become that, nothing wrong there, but I do think a few need to remember what the class began as.

Some people still enjoy pissing about with old heaps of shit, amazing what you learn when things don't work first pop and you have to take it apart and work out why.

thats right, and thats how it began, airforce guys in there spear time wanting to build an engine to go faster then test it out them selves, then improve it more

[Yow Ling]

thats right, and thats how it began, airforce guys in there spear time wanting to build an engine to go faster then test it out them selves, then improve it more

And how does somebody bring a fucked old bike with stickytape for a seat and no work done on it for 10 years somehow fit into those guidelines ?
Buckets were in my recolection from when I was in the airforce pretty well engineered and not based on 30year old bikes at the time

[Grumph]

and... this is were I disagree...
'buckets' have been since the beginning of time just that 'buckets' its the battle of the BUCKETS the BUCKET MC club... not battle of the F4's or the F4 MC club... Bucket founders would be rolling in there graves knowing what you want to take away the hole idea of 'bucket racing'

The BOB is a endurance race, about the bike, whos POS bucket would last and whos wouldent, not an extened sprint race for the fastast of fast.
Yes time moves on, what we have cant be helped, however I do believe what you explain is called F1 why you are to sceared to race that I dont know, buckets were never ment to be a race track class, but it has become that, nothing wrong there, but I do think a few need to remember what the class began as.



thats right, and thats how it began, airforce guys in there spear time wanting to build an engine to go faster then test it out them selves, then improve it more

Sorry D - looking back with fond memories won't work any more, at least locally. Once buckets had moved away from Carrs Rd and onto the big tracks the conflict began because they always ran at other peoples meetings - often ones i ran. And shit I hated having them there !! Arguments, occasional fights and OIL OIL OIL dropped everybloodywhere. No one is happier than me that the general standard of the bucket fleet has risen - principally due to the FXR. It lives on big tracks and doesn't drop it's guts very often.
Yes the cost has risen - it's risen in all bloody classes, not just the ones you are interested in, fact of bloody life mate.
Agression on (and sometimes off) track has always been afeature of buckets - I reckon the smaller the bike, the more agressive the rider,.I remember a very good rider in his first bucket race on the tri oval who backed off going into the first turn and got run over by half the field.....par for the course then. Not now as speeds and costs have risen, no one wants to be that committed any more - it costs too much in too many ways.

[marsheng]

well engineered and not based on 30year old bikes at the time

Hmm, mine is 32 years old this year and you are only a nats wisker in front of me!!!!!!