A unique problem with SI Buckets

**F5 Dave** · 28th June 2012, 10:00

Originally Posted by Yow Ling

I think we should discourage people from buying shitters, they dont do themselves or buckets a favour by having them, all they do is continue the myth that buckets are or should be pieces of shit, when in fact they are a full on racing class, with good gear etc.
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I agree with Mike. An old bike can still be an effective bucket. Heck look at the Steadmans bikes (Joe 1 for example) & Morley Sheriffs bikes. My RG50 is the newest bucket I had & I didn't buy one till they got to $400 & closing on a decade old.

The difference is a real POS is a real POS. Buy an old bike for sure, but it is better for everyone that it isn't total junk. The Banana bike Henk speaks of is probably just above that line, but bikes worse than that are a waste of time for everyone & on long tracks dangerous. A std GP100 on okish tyres will still be racable. The same bike left outside since the 80s with a blocked exhaust & a broken ring, knackered bearings etc = POS.

Well that needs work before getting near a track. Probably more work than finding a different bike.

The bikes that don't run properly should be culled & its not being too harsh to expect that there is a min level.

**F5 Dave** · 28th June 2012, 10:04

Originally Posted by Trudes

Not taking anything personally, at no point did I do this

Why is it that the guys think the chicks are taking it personally?. . .

Aww, maybe a little cry?

nah nah, Lots of people (guys included) seem to take this thread personally & generally as far as I can make out they aren't the issue.

Rangi & you on a long cct (or a short one) would be just fine. In fact I think you & Nige should def come down for the BOB!!!

Originally Posted by Trudes

. . .And here I WILL get personal. The day I feel I HAVE to ride a 4stroke is the day I stop.

That's me girl!!!

**Yow Ling** · 28th June 2012, 11:27

Originally Posted by marsheng

Hmm, mine is 32 years old this year and you are only a nats wisker in front of me!!!!!!

Reread what you quoted , I said that buckets in the 80's wernt based on (then) 30 year old bikes, the only thing on your bike thats 30 years old is the engine, and it seems to get its fair share of maintence to keep it up to scratch. That isnt what this thread is about, if you can contribute something towards safety, please do.

**ellipsis** · 28th June 2012, 12:06

...these threads seem to go round and round...meandering on generalities, sometimes bordering on specifics...

here is specific;

1. CAMS is hosting the BoB...we will go out of our way to ensure you have a good, safe day of racing.

2. As it is a big day for Buckets, CAMS will try and accommodate your wishes...if this means extra track time for those who dont or cant make the cut, we will try and help there too.

3. As with CAMS ethos, we are in this for fun. We will always ensure a rider track time if they turn up at one of our meetings...if this means a newer, slower rider turns up with a Pre 89...they will probably be in with the 72's or even the Classics until they have got their shit together...this has been our M.O for a long time...however when it comes to the Buckets, which we support at our meetings, this system doesn't have any merit. Where do they get put if they are new, trying to gain experience.

4. We are all guilty of trying to entice new riders into our sport, and Buckets have been touted for a long time now, as an , entry level class to the sport. Maybe if their is no entry level into Buckets, this premise is faulty. ( A South Island problem?)

5. If the BMRC wish things to change for the better with this specific speed differential problem, then it is really up to that club to come up with the solutions and bring them to the clubs that support their racing. Very few members of the BMRC belong to the CAMS club yet we are fully into you all being part of what we do...

6. Make sure there are enough vests on the day and that your riders rep has it all in hand before the track opens for practice.

**F5 Dave** · 28th June 2012, 12:07

[Edit]
Sorry I was a bit slow responding to Mikes comment & it seems a bit redundant after last post, pretend its one up

Originally Posted by Yow Ling

Reread what you quoted , I said that buckets in the 80's wernt based on (then) 30 year old bikes, the only thing on your bike thats 30 years old is the engine, and it seems to get its fair share of maintence to keep it up to scratch. That isnt what this thread is about, if you can contribute something towards safety, please do.

Indeed, when I started in the late 80s it was easier to get bikes as there was many to choose from & they weren't that old. But the airforce boys all had pretty well engineered bikes as they had the time & the people around them with the skills. The POS bikes weren't tolerated there, or at least not at Ohakea where I did my racing.

**jasonu** · 28th June 2012, 14:13

Originally Posted by richban

Someone like Dave M or Gary would be great up your end.

What does this mean???

**jasonu** · 28th June 2012, 14:18

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

The bikes that don't run properly should be culled & its not being too harsh to expect that there is a min level.

Sounds like you are out of luck then Dave...

**Henk** · 28th June 2012, 17:57

Originally Posted by jasonu

What does this mean???

They both know how to ride and more importantly can get the message across when they have a hack at passing the knowledge along.

**dangerous** · 28th June 2012, 19:17

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

I agree with Mike. An old bike can still be an effective bucket. Heck look at the Steadmans bikes (Joe 1 for example) & Morley Sheriffs bikes. My RG50 is the newest bucket I had & I didn't buy one till they got to $400 & closing on a decade old.

The difference is a real POS is a real POS. Buy an old bike for sure, but it is better for everyone that it isn't total junk.

again I agree, why are people posting as if there is someone here suporting actual shit box's? I dont

Originally Posted by Grumph

Sorry D... many ways.

agreed, why do you lot see me as anti new shit, hell I joined in remember...

Originally Posted by Yow Ling

And how does somebody bring a fucked old bike with stickytape for a seat and no work done on it for 10 years somehow fit into those guidelines ?

hey hang on... I already said the likes of the Jones YB100's should go 'a fucked old bike with stickytape for a seat' as you put it should also be considered past it.

**marsheng** · 28th June 2012, 23:23

I'll arrange a BMRC meeting next week with the current committee and possibly a few old presidents and make a decision on the BOB. Our decision will be posted up asap so every one will have ample warning.

If there is anyway we can help the NI make the trip, please let us know. We would love to have you down here.

PS CAMS is on the 8th September which is a Saturday. The track can be hired privately on Friday for $50 for the afternoon or morning, and there is a Bears meeting on Sunday starting at 12:00. With Bears you should get 1 practice, 2 races and an all in for $40.

Cheers Wallace

**Muzzab** · 29th June 2012, 08:37

Good on you Wallace, that sounds like a plan.

Cheers
Muzza

**Monkeynz** · 29th June 2012, 11:02

It has been an intersting read going through everyones comments.
The core issue is in regards to everyones safety. And as someone has pointed out the BOB is a once yearly race, and because of this fact in my opinion it should only be open to those riders that are experienced(at least 6 race meets) and can ride at a reasonable pace(Gav and Muzza this includes you

). There are always going to be racing incidences, that's the nature of racing regardless of what it is you are in or on. But if we can reduce the risk to all those involved then that has to be better for everyone, even for those that will miss out initially.
One thing I have also noticed over that last couple of years is that it's not the riders that are getting quicker but the bikes are, huge amounts of money are getting spent on the bikes, in particular the FXR so are now pulling well over 20HP. The speeds are getting so much faster so I am even struggling to keep up with some on my almost standard FXR. I just get swamped off the start line and if I do catch up and get past then I am overtaken on the straights very effortlessly by these more powerful bikes.
This is also adding to an increased risk of having a large accident with someone that is slower whether thay are experienced or not. It's just the nature of F4 now, it is becoming more competitive and serious and most are doing what they can to go faster, it's human nature to want to go faster and just a natural progression of the class.

I want more Horsepower

**Rashika** · 29th June 2012, 11:08

Originally Posted by Dutchee

Without watching the whole video, what needs to happen with BoB is, lose the ego's at sign-on. If you're not going to be in the top 10 or so, wear a vest. The riders wearing vests were visible through Rich's numberboard (if he looked far enough ahead), but those others going around the same speed really weren't. Maybe all "B grade" riders?

errr yeah all good in theory but the BOB attracts sometimes in excess of 40 racers... you wanna see 30 racers wearing vests??

pointless to say the least...
Yes MOST definately put vests on the known slower racers, they will actually most likely be happy to wear one cos it can provide some protection from some of the over enthusiastic faster (and at times not necessarily safer) racers

so anyway, been reading and I can understand the reasoning some have about the slower racers BUT... the BOB is an endurance event, its not a sprint race (in theory anyway... 55 mins on a bucket often in the snow/ice/rain is most definately a test of endurance). People come from all over for it and it would gut me to turn up and then be told nah... you too slow, bugger off. From what I have seen and experienced this problem has always been there and always will be no matter what class. Buckets is just unfortunate that it only has ONE class and so cannot really split the slower and faster racers, so other options need to be made.
• Vests... yes definately!
• Using ya fkn noggin when passing... especially the faster racers! You have the experience so use it wisely, dont get so distracted that you forget there are more people on the track than just the person you are chasing
• repeat the above again and again...

I kinda miss racing, especially reading this thread but life moves on

oh yeah before I forget, that incident with nipper... yeap remember that one well, was just behind them at the time and saw it happen, but what you kinda forget there YL is that Nipper was by far from being inexperienced or a complete newbie then, he had a few races under his belt. I think both the passing riders learned their lesson but it definately is a reminder that faster racers really do need to keep an eye on the WHOLE situation around them.

Ok off to read the rest of the thread...