Welfare support and drug testing

[ducatilover]

They should test for alcohol, and cigarettes too. Just because a substance is illegal (dope) does not mean it is actually worse than legal ones.

Does having a fag in the morning impair your ability to work? No, so there's no valid reason to test, is there?
Alcohol, yes, mind altering drugs yes.

[Oscar]

They should test for alcohol, and cigarettes too. Just because a substance is illegal (dope) does not mean it is actually worse than legal ones.

They should test for quantities of anything that is going to interfere with their ability to bring up children, or look for a job or retrain (whatever the priority is).

I don’t mind the odd joint or beer, but where the abuse of it (or the cost in the case of cigs), becomes the primary reason for someone being supported by the state or it starts to affect children - then something should be done (and that something does not necessarily have to be punative at first).

[oneofsix]

Does having a fag in the morning impair your ability to work? No, so there's no valid reason to test, is there?
Alcohol, yes, mind altering drugs yes.

Yeah having a fag does impair your ability, but to what extent would be the real issue. Having an energy drink also affects you, again to what extent.

Therefore failing a drug test means you have had the drugs, been affected by them but to what extent are you affected at the time of the test or is it just measuring residue?

[SMOKEU]

A rant from the warped logic of a "mellow" pot smoker.

They will still remain angry losers with opinions from a universe where they all argue that black is actually white.
Oh sorry, did I forget to mention that I have had some pretty shit life expierences with pot smokers?

I've met a few Falcon owners who are nothing more than common criminals, so that means that all Falcon owners are criminals, right? That's pretty much what your logic says.

Does having a fag in the morning impair your ability to work?

Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_tobacco

[Big Dave]

I'm OK with it as long as the test is multiple choice.

[jellywrestler]

Does having a fag in the morning impair your ability to work?

It can make ones arse extremely sore, ask White Trash...

[ducatilover]

Yeah having a fag does impair your ability, but to what extent would be the real issue. Having an energy drink also affects you, again to what extent.

Therefore failing a drug test means you have had the drugs, been affected by them but to what extent are you affected at the time of the test or is it just measuring residue?

I'd like to know how it will impair me, apart from 50 years down the track when I die.

Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_tobacco

I don't see anything apart from raising the heart rate momentarily, looking at sexy women does that, do we have to test women for sexy?

Snippet from your article here

Unlike some recreational drugs, nicotine does not measurably alter a smoker's motor skills, judgement, or language abilities while under the influence of the drug.

[ducatilover]

It can make ones arse extremely sore, ask White Trash...

You get used to it

[Big Dave]

>> do we have to test women for sexy?<<

You don't apply the Goth index?

[ducatilover]

>> do we have to test women for sexy?<<

You don't apply the Goth index?

I use the old fashioned quality of wood method.

[Bikemad]

Does having a fag in the morning impair your ability to work?

maybe not but...........not having one seems to affect their ability to work it would seem judging by all the people you see standing outside office blocks etc puffing away..............some would say these people are weak individuals/addicts/substance abusers and should not be employed in the first place

[ducatilover]

maybe not but...........not having one seems to affect their ability to work it would seem judging by all the people you see standing outside office blocks etc puffing away..............some would say these people are weak individuals/addicts/substance abusers and should not be employed in the first place

Some would say the same for caffeine lovers, fruit juice lovers and sugar lovers.
Time to roll out the DL-Reich methinks.

[sidecar bob]

I've met a few Falcon owners who are nothing more than common criminals, so that means that all Falcon owners are criminals, right? That's pretty much what your logic says.



Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_tobacco

Yep, in my expierence, pot smokers are usually attracted to shitty old Falcons, usually because they waste all their money on pot & cant afford anything better. Plus, smoking dope deludes them that an old Falcon is actually a decent car.

[imdying]

Yep, in my expierence, pot smokers are usually attracted to shitty old Falcons, usually because they waste all their money on pot & cant afford anything better. Plus, smoking dope deludes them that an old Falcon is actually a decent car.

So really the answer is to supply them with pot for free...?

[skippa1]

I support and agree with it. I dont mind if they extend it to alchohol as well. Why should I have spent the last 30+ years working my arse off doing 17 hour days for long periods, sometimes 7 days a week for months when self employed and pay 34+% in tax so that they can live off my handouts? I have held 2 and 3 jobs down at a time to make ends meet, got out of bed at 3 in the morning to start work, worked on the deck of a boat in bitter southerlies risking my life to make a crust. At one stage I worked fishing and at a timber mill to make enough to buy my kids Christmas presents, I got 3 hours a day off for sleep and food and ended up getting sick through exhaustion(my own stupid fault). I dont expect others to be a dumb fuck like me for doing that, but I dont expect them to spend my hard earned money on dope or alchohol, nor do I expect them to fail a drug test when applying for a job when they are living on my handouts.

I have no issue with those that smoke weed or drink that hold down a job, as long as they dont put others at harm (smoking at work or being otherwise impaired or hung over at work).
I dont mind my tax paying for hospitals, roads, police even ACC and the multitude of other services that we get. I dont mind paying for our retired or sick. I dont even mind paying for genuine situations where a person ends up as a solo parent. But I strongly disagree and resent with giving people money for not working when they spend their time out of it and they cant get a job because they cant pass a test for drugs or alchohol. Fuck that.