Welfare support and drug testing

[skippa1]

I wasn't responding to the OP, I was responding to sidecar bob's statement. Hence the quote.

fair call

[skippa1]

Aye, coz that's what happens.
I see no reason why not if your level is the alternative.



I'll take drug addled philosopher over being one eyed and narrow of mind! By your rationale those who are hanging around the shopping malls can't be stoners as they're not on the couch. Legalisation will bring in more tax revenue, will boost tourism, will open the doors for medical research, will stop money from going directly into the hands of gangs and likely many many more benefits... and if the only downside is that people who already get stoned keep getting stoned, then I'm all for it. Saying that everyone will just get wasted and will do fuck all is displaying an attitude of complete ignorance, plenty of us have exceptionally fast motorcycles, yet most of the time they're ridden with common sense, could you apply the same attitude to having a toke? Or would you rather just swallow the bullshit and rely and a biased experience? Don't get me wrong, I've seen the good and bad sides of drug use, but more often than not it's just someone being an abusive dick and I see them all the fuckin time, straight and sober. What's their excuse?

ahhh but you see the mind is not that narrow, I know surgeons and high level buisnessmen that smoke after hours and I dont have an issue with that.They work, they contribute they have purpose and are productive. Thats fine. But its not fine if I pay tax that pays benefits for those that spend that money on getting high. Thats not narrow minded, thats just fair. I never said everyone will just get wasted and do fuck all, I said I dont like my tax money paying for those that are unemployed and getting a benefit spending the money getting high. I would equally have a problem if beneficiaries got their benefit and spent it on going to see strippers, massage parlours, TAB, fats cars etc. The benefit is there for those that acnnot afford to buy food or pay the rent, not to provide entertainment.

In regard to legilisation which is a totally different subject, it used to work in Amsterdam, interestingly the dutch government feel they have created a problem and are now looking at a reversal of the current situation. Tourisim???? Seriously, you want to attract people to New Zealand to take drugs??? Fuck Really????Thats where you see our future?Fuck

[sidecar bob]

Was John Britten dumb?

I read the book, in some areas id say extremely so.
Paticularly in the area of social interaction & what he deemed to be normal behaviour towards others.

[sidecar bob]

First time I've heard it called that myself. And don't forget this either, there are people far more successful, smarter and richer than you are who smoke marijuana. And I don't even need to know anything about you to make that statement.

Im quite confident there is & fully agree with you.
There's also a pile more shit kickers who cant even work out where this week's rent is going to come from that smoke it too.
I read in the Herald today that a 23 year old is going to face a firing squad in Abu Dahbi for being in possesion of 20 grams of Cannabis. Richest country in the world, shoot the drug users? I rekon those guys might be onto something.

[avgas]

Thing beneficiaries need to learn is we all whore ourselves out at one point.
You could be a working whore - doing a pointless job your not really interested in.
You could be a genuine whore - making money the non-legitimate way, usually while not having a good time.
Or
You can be a benefit whore - where someone gives you money, and all you have to do is stay off drugs.

Conclusion : We are all whores
(translation - you can't have your lunch and eat it too, you have to pay somewhere)

[onearmedbandit]

Im quite confident there is & fully agree with you.
There's also a pile more shit kickers who cant even work out where this week's rent is going to come from that smoke it too.

Yup agreed 100%. Same for some of those that drink alcohol as well. And some who smoke cigarettes. And some that take more enjoyment out of cruising in their car than paying the rent. The list could go on. The 'abused substance' changes, but not the type of person.

[tigertim20]

fucked if I can be bothered reading 8 pages of rambling, but my view.

Its long overdue. for several reasons.
1. If you can afford to buy novelty items like drugs, you arent that hard up, and you obviously dont need a benefit.
2. If many people who actually have to get out of bed and earn a living sometimes have to take drug tests, then why shouldnt those who get money for free have to do the same tests?

there will always be the bleeding hearts that say oh, but what if they have a drug problem etc etc, well, I have an argument for that too.
If you have someone on the benefit who has a genuine drug problem, isnt it best that we assist them with that problem?
We certainly cant help them if we dont know they have a problem in the first place can we?
Its a fact supported by multiple studies that it is those in the lower socio-economic bracket are more likely to be using, or have a problem with, drugs. So it makes sense to target these people, the same way most agree it makes sense to target women of a certain age for breast screening based on the age ranges which are most at risk - we currently have programs for that, as well as several other programs for other illnesses, disorders and various forms of sickness/poor health.

If someone is having trouble finding work, I feel for them, I was unemployed for a while, I got depressed as fuck, I was looking every day, and I am sure many of the unemployed are actively seeking work too, and I dont see a problem with helping people out if they need a hand, but at the end of the day, I work my fucking ass off for a living, currently working a heavy, physical job, sometimes 12-14 hour days, and most weeks, I cannot afford to buy a bottle of whiskey as a treat for myself because the bills need to be paid first, so the cunts that can afford to buy drugs, get pissed every night, smoke 3 packets of smokes a week can get fucked - they are living a life where they are able to afford novelties I cannot afford, so they obviously dont need any financial help.

[SMOKEU]

Why should either be tax payer funded?

Exactly.

You are quick to point out who you "would much rather fund" but do you actually fund anything at all, or are you a dole bludger?
The reason I am on the internet during the middle of the day is that I am the boss/ owner of a company, not because im unemployed.

I'm not on the dole, I'm a student. At least I'm trying to do something productive and make something of myself.

[mashman]

ahhh but you see the mind is not that narrow, I know surgeons and high level buisnessmen that smoke after hours and I dont have an issue with that.They work, they contribute they have purpose and are productive. Thats fine. But its not fine if I pay tax that pays benefits for those that spend that money on getting high. Thats not narrow minded, thats just fair. I never said everyone will just get wasted and do fuck all, I said I dont like my tax money paying for those that are unemployed and getting a benefit spending the money getting high. I would equally have a problem if beneficiaries got their benefit and spent it on going to see strippers, massage parlours, TAB, fats cars etc. The benefit is there for those that acnnot afford to buy food or pay the rent, not to provide entertainment.

In regard to legilisation which is a totally different subject, it used to work in Amsterdam, interestingly the dutch government feel they have created a problem and are now looking at a reversal of the current situation. Tourisim???? Seriously, you want to attract people to New Zealand to take drugs??? Fuck Really????Thats where you see our future?Fuck

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much... so what you're saying is that it's ok as long as you have an acceptable social status. The FACT that there aren't enough jobs doesn't factor, the FACT that a large percentage of bene's aren't long term bene's doesn't factor (12,000 from recent reading are, how many are unemployed?), the FACT that some people have to be unemployed to help to keep inflation at bay doesn't factor, the FACT that these many Bene's are likely more intelligent than you doesn't factor, the FACT that plenty of Bene's were once high earners who can't get back into the workforce because of wage requirements doesn't factor, the FACT that plenty of these dumbfucks are likely highly intelligent doesn't factor, possibly plenty more facts that you won't allow to get in the way of a good story... and all to target a minority who spend the money they receive in a way they choose to? Doesn't exactly inspire me to believe that the mind is any wider than a japs eye. How dare they try to entertain themselves

...and Portugal went fully legal and drug abuse/use has dropped. As for Amsterdam, tis hardly surprising given that it's as cheap as chips to get there and it services the Entire European community. Funny thing is, from my experiences of Amsterdam, it was the piss 'eads causing all of the trouble. Yes I do want to attract tourists based on a drug policy... rather that than people out on the piss. It's 1 part of a future that I'd hope for this country, but it would seem that some of you need to grow up a bit first and stop being so precious.

[tigertim20]

Exactly.



I'm not on the dole, I'm a student. At least I'm trying to do something productive and make something of myself.

Student allowance?
its still a benefit and should be tested as equally as any other benefit.

[SMOKEU]

Student allowance?
its still a benefit and should be tested as equally as any other benefit.

Yes for the student allowance, but I'm not at home all day smoking buds or out causing shit, or getting bitches knocked up. Once I get my diploma I plan on paying it all back + interest in the form of taxes. I don't plan on being a student for the rest of my life, and I should be qualified by the end of next year.

[Kickaha]

Student allowance?
its still a benefit and should be tested as equally as any other benefit.

Better test that Fast Eddie cunt as well while they're at it

[mashman]

Achually, I've changed my mind. Bring it in. It will be highly entertaining

[flyingcrocodile46]

Simply put, If it's good enough for the real taxpayers (i.e those who pay for the income received by beneficiaries and the tax which they laughingly claim that THEY pay) then it damn sure is good enough for those receiving benefits.

Frankly I wouldn't mind if it cost a little more for the peace of mind of knowing that it is less likely that my taxes will be subsidising the purchase of drugs from the local dealer.

A decrease in demand should see prices come down.

[kiwi cowboy]

youve got too much time on your hands if youre mixing with stoned "creative and interesting people"

maybe when he's stoned there all creative and interesting.