Welfare support and drug testing

[Paul in NZ]

As you were, keep kicking them whilst they are down.

Thats bullshit. I will promise you (ask anyone who really knows me) that Vicki and I have been involved in helping across a wide range of charities for decades. Over the years its cost me $$ and a shit load of time sorting out messes left by the permanently addled. I've sat there while they blub away about how I don't understand 'cos I've got a job, I'm white, I'm lucky enough to be married to a good woman, have a great job - you name it. Yet every effort gets sabotaged because drugs and / or booze has fucked them up so badly and the shame is they just can't see it. Want just one example...

Waa waa - I have to walk into town 'cos I'm broke so I can't get to the interviews. (he's broke cos the $$ he had he purchased a twin turbo subby ffs - despite everyone telling him he couldn't afford to run it).. So we stump up for a mountain bike - sweet... It lasted a day 'cos the dumb fuck was wasted and forgot to lock it up at the bene office - just left it out front leaning against a lampost DESPITE 4 people telling him before he left to lock it with the lock he was given.

This guy has lost more jobs than you can count and still can't figure out why. A follow up reveals - yes he refused or failed a drug test and he knew he had to pass as he was required to operate machinery. Hes fathered 4 kids on 3 mothers - who pays for all this shit he keeps on doing.. How do you fix that? Hes had more help offered than you can imagine but turns it down 'cos he might have to go without a smoke.

EVERYONE of his kids is better off taken off him to stop them inheriting stupid.

[Paul in NZ]

I'm not convinced that somebody living a life getting high all day and doing so off my hard work, is my enemy. Sure they're an enemy to societal norms, but I'm yet to be convinced that society is even vaguely heading in the right direction, or to be frank, ever will be.

Thats a good point. Yet I still think the best societies are those with a healthy middle class and a working class with ambitions to become one of them. We all dream different dreams and if your ambition is to become rich enough to become a drug addict so be it. But to just become a black hole of nothing - nope....

[sidecar bob]

Thats the whole trouble right there......what you just said. You try to dress the whole mess up as drugs vs alchohol, government propoganda, brewery giant control in an effort to justify a position wherby you dont have to do anything and your quiet Saturday night smoke will be legal. Youre a minority pal and you are a minority because if your opinion mattered and you were right, the general NZ masses would be looking to the cannibis party for guidance. The best argument you have is that the bulk of NZ's are mislead by the government or the breweries and we are singing their message??? You want to lay off that poo you smoke.

Kids are being killed by drop kick parents that are on drug and alchohol binges that are paid for by the taxpayer. This is happening at a hideous rate. 11 and 12 year olds are being caught at school with dope they stole from their parents. Thats whats hurting children, and you condone it with the words you speak.

Yes yes, but the amazing maze of fantastic arty connections that are going on inside the average pot users brain can make any two completely irrelevant tangents connect with total relevance you see!!!
The other key thing to remember when discussing anything with a pot user is that its all a huge conspiricay man!!, the government is just out to get us all.
The other thing that pot heads always kid themselves with continually, is that they are super mellow & cruisey.
They may well feel that way, but I have seen more than the usual amount of angry outbursts & an overwhelming need to justify their point of view fron the stoner brigade.

[skippa1]

So we stump up for a mountain bike - sweet... It lasted a day 'cos the dumb fuck was wasted and forgot to lock it up at the bene office - just left it out front leaning against a lampost DESPITE 4 people telling him before he left to lock it with the lock he was given.

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The boy I gave a bike to so he could get to interviews just took it to Cash Converters and sold it the same day. He didnt donate the money the the Sallys either

[skippa1]

We're all told that the goal is to work, have a family, and be a good little member of society. But that doesn't work for everybody, it doesn't give them any inner peace to be a productive little drone.

only because they are lazy fucks that we keep in drugs with our donations. I have yet to meet a person that doesnt get satisfaction from getting up in the morning with purpose and getting paid for working. They may not enjoy their job, but they enjoy the independance and productivity. I strongly believe that the human body and soul need a purpose to keep going and be healthy.

[imdying]

Thats a good point. Yet I still think the best societies are those with a healthy middle class and a working class with ambitions to become one of them. We all dream different dreams and if your ambition is to become rich enough to become a drug addict so be it. But to just become a black hole of nothing - nope....

Drug addict, money addict... drugs worse than capitalism? Maybe, maybe not, I have an opinion, but it's not set in stone yet. I guess it comes back to balance in all things.

only because they are lazy fucks that we keep in drugs with our donations. I have yet to meet a person that doesnt get satisfaction from getting up in the morning with purpose and getting paid for working. They may not enjoy their job, but they enjoy the independance and productivity. I strongly believe that the human body and soul need a purpose to keep going and be healthy.

Yup, and you and I having such limited views of the world is why neither of us should be making these sorts of decisions. Opinions, for sure, but neither of us are equipped with what's needed to make those decisions... problem is though, who is? Probably very very few people, and I'd wager none of those have the power in any case

[Paul in NZ]

Interesting...

"Some people would say people on benefits shouldn't smoke or shouldn't drink. Everyone has their own views on those matters. For the most part, other than very young people, we are leaving people to make their own assessment but our expectations are clear - if you can work, you should work and if the only reason you're not working is because you're failing a drug test because of recreational drug use, we think that's unacceptable and the Government is going to do something about that."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10817004

No problems with that....

[skippa1]

Interesting...

"Some people would say people on benefits shouldn't smoke or shouldn't drink. Everyone has their own views on those matters. For the most part, other than very young people, we are leaving people to make their own assessment but our expectations are clear - if you can work, you should work and if the only reason you're not working is because you're failing a drug test because of recreational drug use, we think that's unacceptable and the Government is going to do something about that."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10817004

No problems with that....

I will live with that.........

[mashman]

only because they are lazy fucks that we keep in drugs with our donations. I have yet to meet a person that doesnt get satisfaction from getting up in the morning with purpose and getting paid for working. They may not enjoy their job, but they enjoy the independance and productivity. I strongly believe that the human body and soul need a purpose to keep going and be healthy.

I don't have that satisfaction that you speak of.

[mashman]

If you're all so keen to have a level playing field, then you'll have no problem with a single salary for every NZ'er. Why is your 8 hours worth more than mine and why is mine worth more than hers?

[skippa1]

I don't have that satisfaction that you speak of.

interesting,
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Smoking marijuana releases serotonin, a chemical in the brain that triggers a feeling of pleasure. When someone smokes regularly the brain becomes used to higher amounts of serotonin production, so when they quit and production drops they experience a mild mental withdrawal from the dependence on the previously increased levels of serotonin and the pleasure it brought.

Maybe you are just suffering from "coming down"

[skippa1]

Why is your 8 hours worth more than mine and why is mine worth more than hers?

you dont really want an answer on that do you?

[onearmedbandit]

Yes yes, but the amazing maze of fantastic arty connections that are going on inside the average pot users brain can make any two completely irrelevant tangents connect with total relevance you see!!!
The other key thing to remember when discussing anything with a pot user is that its all a huge conspiricay man!!, the government is just out to get us all.
The other thing that pot heads always kid themselves with continually, is that they are super mellow & cruisey.
They may well feel that way, but I have seen more than the usual amount of angry outbursts & an overwhelming need to justify their point of view fron the stoner brigade.

Wow amazing to see such ignorance exists still. Unless you are just trolling. But nah I reckon you're just an idiot who has less of a grip on reality than what you think a 'pot user' has.

[mashman]

interesting,
Quote
Smoking marijuana releases serotonin, a chemical in the brain that triggers a feeling of pleasure. When someone smokes regularly the brain becomes used to higher amounts of serotonin production, so when they quit and production drops they experience a mild mental withdrawal from the dependence on the previously increased levels of serotonin and the pleasure it brought.

Maybe you are just suffering from "coming down"

So you're assuming that I smoke a lot of dope? You would be very wrong. I'm not down either, but work does not give me that satisfaction. Fuck sake could you be any wrongerer.

[sidecar bob]

Wow amazing to see such ignorance exists still. Unless you are just trolling. But nah I reckon you're just an idiot who has less of a grip on reality than what you think a 'pot user' has.

I probably am an idiot, & im not at all concerned by your groundless put downs, but all my observations are played out in this thread. Clearly you havent read it.