Gareth Morgan in the Herald on ACC levies for bikers

[GTRMAN]

First of all, a thank you to both Mr Kiwi and Mr Morgan for showing up on this forum, it is never pleasant to be in the line of fire.

All the members of the MOTONZ council were appointed by government to represent a cross section of the motorcycling society. This seems fair in concept, though in practice they are not duty bound to represent the views of anyone but themselves. No disrespect intended but you were not appointed by 'the people' and so you are not beholding to the wishes of the 'people'

What measures are being put in place to ensure transparency of intent and action? If you are working on initiatives with other agencies then what are they? where is a published timeline and set of goals?

Given that there is a WHOLE bunch of 'you don't represent me' sentiment shown, is there a plan to create elected positions on the MOTONZ council? People elected by the 'people' to represent the 'people'

We all, hopefully, want the same thing, motorcyclists to ride safely, in a safe environment and as an end goal to factor less in the accident statistics. This is a worthy cause in and of itself. The problem is that this goal has been intermingled with the political posturing and tampering with the ACC system, both in how it collects revenue and how it meters out benefits. In the past the system worked, now it would appear to be broken.

MOTONZ has been tasked with motorcycle safety, focus on that, be vocal in HOW you are going to change things, let us have a voice.

[avgas]

Totally agree.

Yeah - but would you call it value for money?

My $180 could have been spent putting safer equipment on me or my motorbike.

[Scuba_Steve]

Really all the statistics I have seen you use are doom and gloom ones.......How about a bit of sunshine for the group who fund MotoNZ?

How is that supposed to support the raping of biker finances???

Clearly you have no idea who is on the council.

Isn't that an issue in itself, we have these nameless, faceless (bar Gareth) "representatives" of bikers (none of which I have found to represent me) doing what only appears to be anti-bike research, on funds raped from bikers.

[avgas]

The good news is that soon only rich people such as Gareth and myself will be able to afford to ride on the road, all you hoi polloi can go ride dirt bikes or play rugby or something.

Not entirely true. One could simply steal your bike and go for a ride. Where do you live?

[Usarka]

Were dirt bike accident stats included in gareths analysis?

[avgas]

Brent never represented me and I'm sure there are many other motorcyclists who feel the same way.

His ego lost him his spot on the council.

I thought that was an entry requirement to get on it?

[Katman]

Isn't that an issue in itself, we have these nameless, faceless (bar Gareth) "representatives" of bikers (none of which I have found to represent me) doing what only appears to be anti-bike research, on funds raped from bikers.

Here you go.

http://motonz.org.nz/about-moto-nz/council-members/

Does your mum still wipe your arse for you?

[HenryDorsetCase]

How is that supposed to support the raping of biker finances???



Isn't that an issue in itself, we have these nameless, faceless (bar Gareth) "representatives" of bikers (none of which I have found to represent me) doing what only appears to be anti-bike research, on funds raped from bikers.

bullshit.

For the Flying Spaghetti Monster's sake, if and when you get a rego renewal you get a little colour flyer thing with their damn pictures in it. Sure GM is front and centre, but they are ALL dressed in bike gear, carrying helmets and standing in front of their bikes!

and its on their site.

What do you people expect: they come visiting your house to introduce themselves? then you'd bleat about invasion of privacy or something.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Not entirely true. One could simply steal your bike and go for a ride. Where do you live?

behind that big electric fence: hear the dogs barking and the sentry guns whining as their auto target acquisition works? thats me.

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Weyland-Yutani make fine weapons

[Bald Eagle]

"when you get a rego renewal you get a little colour flyer thing with their damn pictures in it."

Wasn't no pretty flyer in my tax demand when NZ Post delivered it.

[Ixion]

How is that supposed to support the raping of biker finances???



Isn't that an issue in itself, we have these nameless, faceless (bar Gareth) "representatives" of bikers (none of which I have found to represent me) doing what only appears to be anti-bike research, on funds raped from bikers.

You misunderstand the nature of MotoNZ. It is not , and never was , intended to represent motorcyclists. Mr Kiwi is nominated by the AA, an organisation on record as advocating that motorcycles should be made illegal (refer to Mr Jim2 for original source). The AA certainly does not represent motorcyclists, in fact it is the inveterate enemy of motorcyclists.

MotoNZ , in fact, represents ACC. And , as such, it will faithfully follow the party line. Members who do not, will be removed. And it is simple parroting the same falsehoods that have been repeated since 2009 (or before). The $3500 is the same one that was conclusively debunked in 2009 . The "45 times more dangerous" is straight from the AA. They originally claimed "80 times". When challenged, admitted they made the figure up. The correct ratio of risk was established in 2009 , from ACCs own figures , as between 3 and 4 times . Which, hardly surprisingly, agrees with the figure reached by Mr Bogan, by an independent route.

All this is already recorded on this site and can be reviewed by anyone who wants to do a search . Or just read the 2009 era posts in the "Biker politics and law" sub forum.

The article in the Herald is no different to the motorcycle-hating advertisements placed by ACC in 2009. Except that, presumably, they didn't have to pay for this one.

ACC wants motorcycles off the road. Full stop, end of story. MotoNZ is simply one of the tools they are using for that purpose.

[HenryDorsetCase]

"when you get a rego renewal you get a little colour flyer thing with their damn pictures in it."

Wasn't no pretty flyer in my tax demand when NZ Post delivered it.

Maybe I am just special. Thats probably it.

[Katman]

Blah, blah, blah....

And you've clearly shown in the past that you couldn't interpret figures if your life depended on it.

[MrKiwi]

[QUOTE=Ixion;1130355970]You misunderstand the nature of MotoNZ. It is not , and never was , intended to represent motorcyclists. Mr Kiwi is nominated by the AA, an organisation on record as advocating that motorcycles should be made illegal (refer to Mr Jim2 for original source). The AA certainly does not represent motorcyclists, in fact it is the inveterate enemy of motorcyclists.

Sorry I have to correct this.

The AA nominated me as an AA member (of which there are a lot) who is a motorcyclist and who has a back ground and interest in road safety, particularly for motorcyclists. Having been appointed I am not there as a representative reporting to or representing their views, I am, like all Council members, appointed because of my experience and skills I can bring to the Council's brief. There's no magic or mystery behind this, our briefs are on the MotoNZ website as are our terms of reference.

Also to address another myth, not said by you but by some others, I have never been an employee of the AA. The AA is a club, and it has district committees and a national committee (called district councils of the AA and a national council of the AA). I was, until earlier this year on the Wellington Committee of the AA but I am no longer. I, like about 14,000 other bikers, am still a member of the AA.

The AA represents the views of its members and the National Council of the AA know I am a strong advocate of motorcyclists and that I do take a different view to some of their advocacy to ensure us motorcyclists are heard. Wish me well...

[caseye]

I wish you well MrKiwi.