Asset sale protests!

[oldrider]

And if it get listed on the Australian market , OR ANY off shore investor , your money will leave NZ , where at least the Govn put it in the sluch fun before sending it overseas
Stephen

When I first started riding motorcycles the average motorcyclist was regarded as a free spirited self reliant adventurer ... now fucking look at us FFS!

Same thing with any suggestion not quite PC and contained by hundreds of useless rules and laws, what do we do?

We consult with "Chicken Little" societies and cry like fucking babies for our toy's back ... even though we can no longer afford them!

All we want from these so called "assets" is the service that they provide at as cheap a price as possible!

Who gives a rat's arse who owns them and that they make a bit of profit, they have bought the right to take the risk! (just like a biker when he buys a bike and rides it!)

[Brian d marge]

When I first started riding motorcycles the average motorcyclist was regarded as a free spirited self reliant adventurer ... now fucking look at us FFS!

Same thing with any suggestion not quite PC and contained by hundreds of useless rules and laws, what do we do?

We consult with "Chicken Little" societies and cry like fucking babies for our toy's back ... even though we can no longer afford them!

All we want from these so called "assets" is the service that they provide at as cheap a price as possible!

Who gives a rat's arse who owns them and that they make a bit of profit, they have bought the right to take the risk! (just like a biker when he buys a bike and rides it!)

Trouble is you do need to " give a rats arse " because the chances of you getting a good service for as cheap as possible is , slim to none. The business model can quite happily be applied to a smartphone or a bike , but water and electricity ( well water at least ) is a basic human need,

I didnt move the goal post some dick in Chicago did , and if you want to remain " free" , then that freedom comes at a price , ( i mean this as in financially free , not pushing sh up a hill each week because the electricity / water /reg bill was to high

Stephen

ps we can afford them

[oldrider]

Well Stephen I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens and then we can fire I told you so's at each other in hindsight!

As to who is right .... I would only bet on us both being wrong because the current monetary system only allows politicians to fail.

[Brian d marge]

Well Stephen I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens and then we can fire I told you so's at each other in hindsight!

As to who is right .... I would only bet on us both being wrong because the current monetary system only allows politicians to fail.

I hope I’m wrong , that’s all I can say

( well I can say a heap but,,, ( Now HE would have made a good politician !) )

Stephen

[Robert Taylor]

I shall restore balance



As well as killing the manufacturing industry in the UK. Shutting down the mines. Destroying the car industry. Most likely others, but I'll have a chat with my mum about that at the weekend hopefully. She "was" a Thatcher fan and studied history and politics off the back of that... only to be unable to get a job teaching as education started to suffer through lack of "investment" as (tax cuts) Maggie stuck the boot in on the public sector. I'll admit she was a strong leader, but she had a booming economy at her fingertips as the fiat money system took hold after decimalisation... and as that was over twenty years ago, I doubt we'll ever see her likes again as the economy just isn't there to support what needs to be done. The issues we have now where just starting back then. As much as she did good she was the first of the anti-social PM's imho... and with her buddy Ronnie they put growth and business before the needs of the population and here we are today. The "system" they helped to put in place is destroying life as we knew it. Sure you can call that dramatic, but I don't see it as being anything other than true.

And the administraion immediately before hers was successful?

[Brian d marge]

And the administraion immediately before hers was successful?

Or After ????

STEPHEN

[mashman]

And the administraion immediately before hers was successful?

They didn't drop the UK into a recession, so possibly. Although I would attribute their success to not letting the banks have free reign with the economy over skilled management.

Or After ????

STEPHEN

I used to do a great impression of John le grey. Not so good at Maggie though... my voice wasn't deep enough as unlike Madge, my balls hadn't dropped by then .

[BoristheBiter]

They didn't drop the UK into a recession, so possibly. Although I would attribute their success to not letting the banks have free reign with the economy over skilled management.

I used to do a great impression of John le grey. Not so good at Maggie though... my voice wasn't deep enough as unlike Madge, my balls hadn't dropped by then .

The funny thing is out of all the people that I have heard talk about what it was like under Maggie, the Tory right wingers loved her and the Labour Unionist hated her go figure, after that it's just a time in political history.

What i can remember was the coal that my grandparents could afford was shitty, powdery rubbish from Europe as the British coal was too expensive.
And after that time they got good coal for a good price.

[mashman]

The funny thing is out of all the people that I have heard talk about what it was like under Maggie, the Tory right wingers loved her and the Labour Unionist hated her go figure, after that it's just a time in political history.

What i can remember was the coal that my grandparents could afford was shitty, powdery rubbish from Europe as the British coal was too expensive.
And after that time they got good coal for a good price.

Me Ma ended up with both perspectives... for all she respected everything she "made", she also detested her for everything she "destroyed" and she's still a screaming Tory. I'll convert her to when she gets here . After the way the Unions were dismantled, it's hardly surprising that they didn't like her so much. I guess putting money before people will do that to some people. As ya say, tis history, no real people power to fight off private enterprise and the wages gaps grow etc...

I remember the constant battle of those fighting for their jobs and losing their jobs... then found girls and all was well with the world. I could never figure out how it was cheaper to import coal from outside of the country... still don't in some ways.

[Brett]

I have always said NZ is a "socialist country" (nurtured by the state school system) today's asset sales protests simply demonstrate the point!

The objective should be less "monopoly" government interference and increased creation of commercial opportunities for business growth!

Government assets are dependant on taxpayer support (Air NZ) and higher and higher consumer pricing! (electricity)

By floating public shares in the asset, only those who want to invest need invest, freeing up taxpayer money for other projects!

"Real" competition rather than in house SOE "pretend monopoly competition" high price setting "should" put the brakes on unsupported price rises!

I was disgusted with the protests today, not so much about the stated reason but more by the "proof" that New Zealanders are so collectively stupid!

Even more disturbing is the part the media played in trying to maximise the coverage of the stupidity!

I am completely with you on most of that. I wonder how many of those protesting the asset sales have much commercial nouse?

[BoristheBiter]

Me Ma ended up with both perspectives... for all she respected everything she "made", she also detested her for everything she "destroyed" and she's still a screaming Tory. I'll convert her to when she gets here . After the way the Unions were dismantled, it's hardly surprising that they didn't like her so much. I guess putting money before people will do that to some people. As ya say, tis history, no real people power to fight off private enterprise and the wages gaps grow etc...

I remember the constant battle of those fighting for their jobs and losing their jobs... then found girls and all was well with the world. I could never figure out how it was cheaper to import coal from outside of the country... still don't in some ways.

One company I work for makes pipes. It is cheaper to import from China....how that works I will never know.

[mashman]

The thing that truly gets me about asset sales, is that people in NZ who want the asset sales to go through, thereby increasing govt investment potential, are the exact same people who are unwilling to pay more taxes for the govt to increase their investment potential. It seems that some will only part with their money as long as they get something in return. The funny thing being that they'd get the same govt making the same investments using money from the same pot

[mashman]

One company I work for makes pipes. It is cheaper to import from China....how that works I will never know.

Ain't technology and cheaper wages grand eh .

[mashman]

One company I work for makes pipes. It is cheaper to import from China....how that works I will never know.

I assume this is one of the other pieces of the puzzle?

[Brian d marge]

One company I work for makes pipes. It is cheaper to import from China....how that works I will never know.

very poor health care , working conditions and environmental safety etc etc....it will change as china becomes more afluent ...then another pesant will take his place

Easy fix , just lower your costs to that of, or below China


Stephen