Paul Owen motorcycle reviews (or lack of)

[mossy1200]

It'd make for some interesting handling characteristics to have an 80 kg bash plate on a GSXR.

Couldnt be any worse than a MT01.

There would be a few that are closer to the 150 though and maybe would require 20kg weight down low on the bike.

[Ender EnZed]

Couldnt be any worse than a MT01.

There would be a few that are closer to the 150 though and maybe would require 20kg weight down low on the bike.

You quoted me pre edit. To get a 100 hp bike lams legal you'd need more weight than a gold wing.

[mossy1200]

You quoted me pre edit. To get a 100 hp bike lams legal you'd need more weight than a gold wing.

bike at 200kg plus rider at 80kg ( no model eg only ) each 20kg added represents approx 7% power increase allowed to stay under lams limit if said bike was at limit prior. Maybe gsxr bad eg but maybe calculated on sv650 would require to much additional weight.

How did you get 300kg plus gsxr weight plus 10kg fuel and 80kg rider to reach lams? Isnt that a 250hp+ gsxr600.

[Ender EnZed]

An extra 20kg is only worth an extra 4hp. I'd much rather lose power than add ballast.

[Ender EnZed]

How did you get 300kg plus gsxr weight plus 10kg fuel and 80kg rider to reach lams? Isnt that a 250hp+ gsxr600.

GSXR at 170 dry plus 90 plus 300 gets 560kg being powered by 85kw is 151kw per tonne. I think.

[george formby]

Be as useful as his write ups.

Tinkle tinkle. That was pennies dropping. This is the bloke, er, chap who's reviews appear in the local paper, affectionately known as the 3 minute silence.

About as useful as an i-pad with a flat battery. I doubt he does his own home maintenance.

Fortunately nobody has mentioned TDR'S in the LAMs gumpf.

[mossy1200]

An extra 20kg is only worth an extra 4hp. I'd much rather lose power than add ballast.

400kg total weight is 60kw based on 1000kg is 150

60kw is 80hp

90kg for rider and fuel leaves 310kg less bike weight.

350kg is 52.5kw

52.5kw is 70hp

350 less 90 is 260kg

sv650 is 70hp and 175kg(claimed) so 85kg added. Your correct thats a lot of weight.

There must be bikes that are very close to the limit though. Maybe more in the cruiser range than a sv etc.

Makes you wonder how many bikes are being punished by over stating hp based on at crank and understating the weight.

[nodrog:Me]

That will be why I had some knob telling me he was getting a ducati 696 for his first bike.

[White trash]

Have you had any official word on that? I'd still like to know what numbers they used to get a 530 under 150kW/T.

Right here.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/gett.../lams-list.pdf

Careful reading of the rules states that motorcycle must NOT be modified in from how the manufacturer presents it as LAMS legal.

[Ender EnZed]

Right here.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/gett.../lams-list.pdf

Careful reading of the rules states that motorcycle must NOT be modified in from how the manufacturer presents it as LAMS legal.

Yeah, I've read the list but I'm wondering what figures for power and weight have been used to get a 525EXC on it.

[gammaguy]

Guzzi didn't make their own barrels - they were made by Gilardoni who periodically reproduce sets for older Guzzis...

Who also made the cylinders for the oilhead BMW engines

[gammaguy]

Tinkle tinkle. That was pennies dropping. This is the bloke, er, chap who's reviews appear in the local paper, affectionately known as the 3 minute silence.

About as useful as an i-pad with a flat battery. I doubt he does his own home maintenance.

Fortunately nobody has mentioned TDR'S in the LAMs gumpf.

TDR s were designed to keep noobs in their place

[jonbuoy]

Why don't they just fit limiters like Europe? Surely it can only have been limited in the ECU so wouldn´t be difficult to swap it out?

[SS90]

I'm sure this has been covered elsewhere, but this LAMS concept while a good thing for riders, is clearly geared towards industry growth (new 2 fiddy rockets have not been available new since ages ago, so our laws regarding new licences riders where detrimental to the industry)

I can't shake the feeling that this is going to push the price of any or all of these bikes on the list sky high on the market, making buying one costly, more so than before, but in all likelyhood new bikes on the list will seem an attractive option if an old T120V with dubious history is only a sniff cheaper than a new W400. (surprised the w650 doesn't comply)
Not much of a choice if your new to bikes.

[JMemonic]

Two things, firstly what the thread is about

Paul Owen reviews often look as if he has simply copied selected pieces from the sales blurb, and I guess it works for him, he has an income and it would appear as though occasionally he get the change to ride some tasty hardware, not a bad life for some. We cam choose to read his reviews with the grain of salt they deserve.

Secondly what the thread has drifted in to, the Lam list

• a maximum power‐to‐weight ratio of 150 kilowatts per tonne (the power is that specified by the manufacturer and the weight is the weight specified by the manufacturer

I wonder how many bikes would actually fit if the published figures were all done to the same specifications, i.e. all fluids included and 5 litres of fuel in the tanks, with power measured at the rear wheel, using the same measuring standard?

We all know the manufacturers have played with the figures to obtain the optimal sales pitch to the weekend Rossi's sometime with dubious measuring schemes.