Could you have avoided this?

[nodrog:Me]

why didnt he just turn the corner?

[Drew]

The guy never shut up the whole time, even when those little popups stated that he had seen the hazard well before the collision. If i was yakking on a ride (which wouldn't happen) I would have gone all quiet when I first saw the trucks.

Just wondering whether he paid as much attention to the trucks as he leads us to believe?

What I really want to know, is how come there is no wind noise when the dude is riding, when the mic is mounted to the camera?

Must be flash fuckin gear.

[bogan]

I'd have to answer no and yes, there are two outcomes possible for me

1: I'd try be God like Drew, clutch it up and flip the cunt the...bike.
2: I'd be in my garage having an anxiety attack and not riding (more likely)

I tried to think of a third, but I can't.

He could have avoided it by slowing down lots more and ideally, not hitting the truck.

Dude, you missed the most obvious one, dropping a rod back on the straight, pulling over, and watching the next 5 cunts lay it down cos they didn't notice your oil slick

I'm the biker god...Cunt.

Biker god, pffft, one of the four horsemen with an upgraded steed sound like a way better plan. Actually, maybe they did upgrade, then didn't ride defensively, got cleaned out by a truck, thus preventing the apocalypse.

[FJRider]

As far as potential hazards go that situation is dripping with them.

The two trucks block off almost all the escape routes and it doesn't appear particularly well lit in amongst the trees.

I'd have been doing whatever it takes to ensure the truck driver spotted me.

It also didn't appear that the motorcyclist slowed down noticeably.

Even a headlight ON might have helped ... But the "I have right of way, so Im OK" attitude persists. After all ... what could go wrong ... ???

[James Deuce]

why didnt he just turn the corner?

What he said. Target fixation is a bitch.

[Nova.]

m8 woulda just blipped the throttle got the ass end loose and drifted around him, simple

[Ocean1]

why didnt he just turn the corner?

I reckon at the time that truck moved he was going too fast to make that stick. That's also the bit of real estate the truck is looking to ocupy, a better bet might have been to take an off-road option to the right of the black truck.

But I've been wrong before.








Once, back in '74.

[willytheekid]

No no no no. Stupid move flashing your lights at someone waiting at an intersection. Every day I see cars and bikes and truck all flashing their lights as a sort of
message to pull in front of them (i.e. let them through the gap in front of your vehicle).

If you ride towards a truck trying to turn in front of you and you flash your lights, the truckie will say "shit where did that bike come from? Sweet he's flashed his lights to tell me he is stopping to let me through".

If he did see you and then you flashed your lights that's even worse, he will definitely presume you are letting him through.

I'm not certainly NOT following a couple of low-beam to high-beam flashes with a "wave through"

Because people do exactly what you described to "attract the other drivers attention"...so they can THEN wave them through!(or point out there lights are full beam, or there car is on fire, or an axe wielding maniac is standing on the roof etc etc)

...Its kinda why ambulances and firetrucks and police vehicles flash there lights...it sure in hell is NOT a signal to say "after you hayden"...its a signal to HAVE YOU SEEN ME??

...please don't buy a truck!

[Madness]

The whole flashing of headlights to "wave people through" has reduced significantly now that the give way rules have changed. It was predominantly used on accasions where a left-turning vehicle had to give way to a right-turning vehicle and the right-turner wasn't paying attention. I'm assuming the video was shot in the U.K where they have the same give way rules as we do now. It's not like the bike was in a slow moving column of traffic either, where a flash of the headlights could have been interpreted as being "let in" contrary to the right of way.

I'm not trying to advocate the high frequency flashing of headlights in situations like this but the use of high beam makes a lot more sense to me than weaving in order to try & get noticed. It all falls short when compared to slowing down to a speed where you can take emergency evasive action if required.

[JimO]

who else noticed that camera landed in exactly the right spot

[george formby]

I'm not certainly NOT following a couple of low-beam to high-beam flashes with a "wave through"

Because people do exactly what you described to "attract the other drivers attention"...so they can THEN wave them through!(or point out there lights are full beam, or there car is on fire, or an axe wielding maniac is standing on the roof etc etc)

...Its kinda why ambulances and firetrucks and police vehicles flash there lights...it sure in hell is NOT a signal to say "after you hayden"...its a signal to HAVE YOU SEEN ME??

...please don't buy a truck!

Er, no. In the UK, a high beam flash is a "courtesy flash". It is taught to mean " I can see you", implying you are ready for what the other vehicle is going to do next. Often used to allow vehicles into or out of a junction on a busy road. In the riders case it would imply to the truckie that he is being allowed to turn.

[Katman]

So come on then dick what would the mighty Katman have done in this situation?
Oh that's right you are the riding god and would have never been here in the first place.

Thanks for the red and the horse you rode in on.

You are so far into "the rider should have been able to avoid this" that to actually admit that shit happens would make you even stupider than you do now so you just drivel on.

Hey, I'm not the only one who thinks he probably could have done a better job.

In fact, you and Bigal are just about the only ones in this thread too lazy to consider how the situation could have turned out differently.

[george formby]

Some inspiration for any riders reading this thread questioning how they would react.

Counter steering / swerve

This can be refined to make the turn(s) faster, sensible thing to practice IMHO. On most bikes I reckon you can move left or right at least 3 mtrs for every 10 mtrs traveled forward at about 50 kmh. No doubt further with practice.

Not starting another debate but this could be useful for fledgling riders.

[willytheekid]

Er, no. In the UK, a high beam flash is a "courtesy flash". It is taught to mean " I can see you", implying you are ready for what the other vehicle is going to do next. Often used to allow vehicles into or out of a junction on a busy road. In the riders case it would imply to the truckie that he is being allowed to turn.

Er...we are not in the UK!(I wasn't referring to the situation in the vid...just NZ road rules & personal safety)
Personally...I ignore "courtesy give ways" and stick to the road code rules...one person telling me they will give way doesn't make it legal...or safe!, as every other road user is only aware of the road rules!...not the guy in front flashing his lights being "polite" and waving me through (I don't rely or trust upon other road users to determine my safety while riding)

[Katman]

You are so far into "the rider should have been able to avoid this" that to actually admit that shit happens would make you even stupider than you do now so you just drivel on.

I bet as a kid when you used to play soldiers with your mates you were to first to always lie down and play dead.