Hi-viz, does it make a difference in rider visibility?

[duckonin]

Cos we don't like being told what to do when the justification behind it is complete bullshit.

Have 'you' been told to wear Hi-vis anything whilst on your motorbike ? What makes you say "the justification behind it is complete bullshit".

The justification behind what ? In places Hi-vis can be justified.

[FJRider]

Considering ... the usual cry of bikers is "They're all out to get us" ... so not being seen is to our advantage ... surely ...

Or have I got it wrong ... again ...

[duckonin]

Back to your tent with ya !

When you re read my post and see i in fact said, "all she sees is another dude in a hiviz vest" come back and talk !

You in fact only saw what your mind wanted to see , just like little old ladies ducky, she will see yet another hi viz (that she's seen a doz of that day) but not the fact that it's moving as glancing will not show depth perseption and the fact it's changing ! And not the grille of a car or truck which her mind is looking for !

Take that and oil ya plumage with !

Will order two of what you are having must be good shit. Geezz you are very basic.

[swbarnett]

Apparently there was a test study done on the matter back in 2004, it states in its conculsion that "Drivers wearing reflective or fluorescent clothing had a 37% lower risk of crash related injury than those who were not wearing such materials." http://www.bmj.com/highwire/filestre..._article_pdf/0

"Correlation does not mean causation"

[sinfull]

Will order two of what you are having must be good shit. Geezz you are very basic.

Oh well done, now i see your argument lol

[bogan]

Have 'you' been told to wear Hi-vis anything whilst on your motorbike ? What makes you say "the justification behind it is complete bullshit".

The justification behind what ? In places Hi-vis can be justified.

Trouble is, once we've been told we have to, is its too late to argue. I've read the studies those calling for mandatory high vis use as justification, and their interpretations of the findings are bullshit.

I'm sure in places high vis can be justified, and if I see justification that doesn't sound like bullshit, then I won't call it bullshit.

Personally I'm not sure if it does more harm than good or not. Effects like motion camouflage, and driver expectation of high -vis means stationary road worker or cops must be taken into account. Rider attitude effects like I'm wearing high vis so that guy must have seen me must be taken into account. Its not as simple as wow, I'm wearing bright colors so people won't cut me off. I mean FFS, we still get cut off with a light source putting out much more than a high vis vest does.

[wasiler]

I think reflective hi-viz at night would help but, don't think it is the best. I think lighting is the best way to stand out day or night. Do police cars turn on their high viz when they have an emergency? That is why they have lights and a siren.

I don't see how the hi-viz would work during the day. The reason being is because you have so many colors during the day, signs, grass, painted cars and buildings....For a car coming from the side, I think they will see you anyway because you are moving perpendicular to their vision with or without high viz. Maybe even better if you are a black dot against a colorful background. Maybe you will stand out a tiny bit more with high viz against a black background...who knows. I think it will be about the same.

The main problem is when coming head on during the day. Also probably when most accidents happen. It is a little harder to stand out because you are just a stationary dot. A colorful dot in a sea of color. That orange dot would be lost in the mix. That is not a fact, just food for thought. During the day time, you have to provide some type of erratic movement when coming toward traffic to catch the eye of the car driver. I saw a video where one guy says to weave side to side. That to me does not seem practical and will you be doing that all day long? The only way I see to stand out is by using one of those headlight modulators that pulse. Thus, the erratic movement of your light is what you need to help stand out. Not saying it is fool proof. I don't wear orange because I don't think it will make that much of a difference. My jacket is black but, it does have those reflective strips built in for night time. If you want to wear bright orange during the day, go for it. It can't hurt.

At night, the reflective material is needed because you don't much light on your sides and a small red lamp in the rear. This is where you stand out because you are a glowing blob against a black background. Head on at night you have got that really bright head light. The rear...ehh, can't say I am too crazy about one tiny red lamp. Thus, the reflective material and the blue LED. The blue led in the back stands out from all the other red break lights.

A LED on the side would also probably be a good choice too but, I don't have one. When I see a cars headlights approaching from the side and if I can, I will slow down or speed up to avoid meeting the intersection at the same time. Doesn't always work but, I guess just call me a rebel.

[James Deuce]

Err, sorry, I meant from a car approaching from the side. Unless you have headlights on the side of your bike, then pay no mind.

Humans need daylight to see in colour properly. The side view of a motorcycle flashes by very quickly and if someone has already pulled out on you and they see the colour of the vest you're wearing, they're about to hit you.

The reflective strips make you more visible, as well as that black pimply stuff that reflects bright white at night. Fluorescent green or yellow is pointless at night time.

[Subike]

, "does it make a difference in rider viability?".
Tell you what, come down here to Christchurch,Take a walk around the city for a couple of days and ask the guys doing the road repairs this same question. These guys are just as exposed to drivers as a motorcyclist. Also drive one main road with a camera, and count the number of HiVis wearing people you see. Upload the camera and recount. Have done this as an experiment, I missed 25% of the hi vis wearers on that road. If I missed 25% and I was looking for them, how many would I miss if I was not looking.The reason I suggest Christchurch? More hiv vis wearers per capita than any other place. Thus it would give you a view of the future if usage increased everywhere.

[Berries]

You don't wear Hi-Viz, good for you, and I'm sure you have some good reasons not to if you don't mind sharing.

I believe that if I have to rely on another motorist to do the right thing for my own survival then I am fucked. Whether hi-viz would make me more visible is irrelevant to me. I ride like they can't see me so I am never surprised when they don't.

[wasiler]

Humans need daylight to see in colour properly. The side view of a motorcycle flashes by very quickly and if someone has already pulled out on you and they see the colour of the vest you're wearing, they're about to hit you.

The reflective strips make you more visible, as well as that black pimply stuff that reflects bright white at night. Fluorescent green or yellow is pointless at night time.

Man what is wrong with you. You must be subhuman. I bet everyone else on here can see colors at night. I think we are saying the same thing. Thanks, I never knew what that black pimply stuff was called. Now I know.

I hate that fluorescent crap. That is useless and should go on a harley. The blue LEDs are really bright. When I first put them on was when they first adopted the law allowing it. The cops were giving me a verbal warnings then I had to inform them that the law had changed. Anyway, they really stand out. Trust me.

I also read where you can't have lights that "dazzle or confuse" other drivers. Some of the new break lights are awesome at night and make all kinds of erratic movements. I am wondering if the popo would bust you for something like that? Seems like that is counter productive.

[scumdog]

I believe that if I have to rely on another motorist to do the right thing for my own survival then I am fucked. Whether hi-viz would make me more visible is irrelevant to me. I ride like they can't see me so I am never surprised when they don't.

C'mon, you rely on the other motorists to stay on their side of the road...most of the time....

[Berries]

I really meant in those places where being seen is an issue. If someone cannot see me approaching with my head light on then I have no confidence that wearing hi-viz will improve things.

[James Deuce]

Man what is wrong with you. You must be subhuman.

http://www.aoa.org/x5352.xml

[wasiler]

http://www.aoa.org/x5352.xml

No duh, I guess my attempt at sarcasm failed over the internet. Next you will be telling me humans need air to breath. Here, let me help you out. http://www.che.iitb.ac.in/faculty/gk...anka/cfa1.html You missed the point, I was using hi-viz interchangeably with colors and reflective material. I never said you can see colors at night. You stated the obvious. You can have high visibility by supposedly wearing bright colors during the day or you can have high visibility by wearing reflective material at night. Thus, hi-viz day or night. Are you trying to say that you are invisible at night when you wear reflective materials?