Vehicle license reform. Danger and opportunity for bikers

**davereid** · 20th September 2012, 07:22

http://www.transport.govt.nz/ourwork...mconsultation/

While the mainstream media is reporting widely on the WOF aspects of this reform, the actual "meat" is around vehicle licensing or "rego".

A brief look at the document shows a few common factors - a desire to impose demerits at every possible chance, the introduction of "late fees", and the replacement of the label with ANPR.

Putting rego on fuel is dismissed early in the document with some fairly dodgy sums, that I will be carefully going through.

Its claimed that putting rego on fuel would put petrol up by 24c/litre. We did these sums pretty carefully during the bikeoi and came up with under half that.

Its also claimed that thos would have a negative effect on the economy. That of course is rubbish, as assuming licence fees dont change, the net effect is the same.

Except of course no late fees, penalties, unpaid licence fees, collection and admin costs...

The document also discusses a future plan for ACC that involves charging bad drivers or unsfe vehicles penalty rates. One can only guess where an unstable, excessively powerful, air bag free, crumple zone free, motor vehicle might sit in that list.

Do we have any fight left, or will we just be letting things go ?

**MSTRS:Me** · 20th September 2012, 07:42

Originally Posted by davereid

Do we have any fight left, or will we just be letting things go ?

Apathy rulz, innit.

**Ocean1** · 20th September 2012, 07:57

Yeah, non-compliance is currently limited to the criminal class, let's make it everyone!

And "consultation" isn't about wining or losing when it comes to policy implimentation, it's just another box to tick. Make enough noise and we might get on the 6 Oclock news but short of armed insurrection we won't be changing any proposals.

Sickening.

**caseye** · 20th September 2012, 08:02

Give me a good reason and I'll make an effort, so far from what I've read, we're wasting our time trying to stop govt doing anything they want simply because last time we didn't do as we'd promised. Come back! ( in anything like realistic numbers) we had those polies worried to hell and gone the first time we went to Welly, we promised to keep our foot on their throats, but failed to do so and could not get our apathetic mongrel riders to do it again and we got laughed out of town.
As a body of people who all ride motorcycles here in just KB land we can't even agree which is the best and fairest way to apply ACC rego fees.
On petrol across the board at $0.12 cents per litre would do me fine, make farmers, boaties and recreational off road motorised vehicle owners cry foul, But hey fuck them, it's time they paid the ACC part of their non existent rego too.
So, yeah, if it looked like it'd fly, I'd ride again.

**Paul in NZ** · 20th September 2012, 08:03

Yes - this is important to me... These people are over paid cunts sticking the boot in again and again...

I don't want to see affordable transport which can be used safely made unaffordable by the nanny state egged on by the fucking AA and the motor industry...

The implications for anyone that likes classic vehicles or values their Mums old Corolla is horrendous...

There is a serious recession going on - the policies of successive governments have created a shed load of part time low wage jobs and shit all else. Look around you - most people are struggling to pay the existing rego/wof costs let alone upgrade to a newer car...

By all means penalize repeated bad driving but the rest is bollocks

**Bassmatt** · 20th September 2012, 08:08

Originally Posted by davereid

http://www.transport.govt.nz/ourwork...mconsultation/
The document also discusses a future plan for ACC that involves charging bad drivers or unsfe vehicles penalty rates. One can only guess where an unstable, excessively powerful, air bag free, crumple zone free, motor vehicle might sit in that list.

Do we have any fight left, or will we just be letting things go ?

I think that in the current political climate, where most people seem to think hungry kids should stay hungry cos "why should my taxes pay for some kids food because they have shit parents," that if they take this approach WE ARE FUCKED!
All they will have to do is frame the argument along those same lines ie why should your taxes/acc levies subsidise those dangerous bikers and throw up some dodgy numbers and half the public will be baying for our blood.

**Katman** · 20th September 2012, 10:40

Originally Posted by Bassmatt

All they will have to do is frame the argument along those same lines ie why should your taxes/acc levies subsidise those dangerous bikers and throw up some dodgy numbers and half the public will be baying for our blood.

And judging by the displays by a prominent number of lunatics on two wheels they could probably be forgiven for thinking that they have a point.

**Fast Eddie** · 20th September 2012, 10:43

Originally Posted by Katman

And judging by the displays by a prominent number of lunatics on two wheels they could probably be forgiven for thinking that they have a point.

didn't a bunch of pedestrians get mowed down and one killed in chch by some cars?

f*ckn lunatics those car drivers..

**Katman** · 20th September 2012, 10:46

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

didn't a bunch of pedestrians get mowed down and one killed in chch by some cars?

f*ckn lunatics those car drivers..

That's right.

And look at the negative impact that those lunatic car drivers have had on the rest of the similarly aged car enthusiasts.

**CookMySock** · 20th September 2012, 11:15

Originally Posted by davereid

Do we have any fight left, or will we just be letting things go ?

Why do you think you are ever going to beat these people are their own game? You are completely pissing in the wind with that! Scream, jump up and down and cut your wrists all you like, and they are just going to ignore you and keep putting the price up.

The ONLY way you are going fuck them over is to completely remove their teeth, and that has to be done in a court of law. Then any agency can arbitrarily pull rules out of its arse as much as it likes and they aren't worth a knob of goats poo.

All you are doing here is exercising your (government given) rights(sic) to publicly object - which in the end amounts to consent, where you should be exercising your (god given) rights to walk, which is QUITE the opposite to consent.

Think about it.

**Conquiztador** · 20th September 2012, 11:15

Yep. I am in.

Time for a strategy me thinks. Ideas?

**Paul in NZ** · 20th September 2012, 12:25

Actually a small group can change things. Look at how much progress Gay folks have made yet when they started they were beaten up and chucked out of political party meetings etc...

It requires consistency and perseverance however and a strong belief in what you are doing..

I'm not sure that exists in this case.

**Katman** · 20th September 2012, 12:27

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

It requires consistency and perseverance however and a strong belief in what you are doing..

...and a thick skinned forehead.

**Jantar** · 20th September 2012, 12:41

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Actually a small group can change things. Look at how much progress Gay folks have made yet when they started they were beaten up and chucked out of political party meetings etc...

It requires consistency and perseverance however and a strong belief in what you are doing..

I'm not sure that exists in this case.

They also had a gay prime minister.

Maybe we need a motorcycling prime minister.