LAMS approved bikes

[Glowerss]

The Popo bosses went to NZTA with a proposal for a notification on the license label, but it didn't get off the ground. Too hard to administer, they said.

The Popos bosses are trying to get a notification on the vehicle database, so they can doa reg check, and it also tells them whether the bike is LAMS approved or not.

Watch this space. I reckon the best that we can do on 1 October is carry a print of the list from the NZTA website. Remember that most cops aren't bike enthusiasts, to potentially don't know the difference between the good, bad and awful bikes on and off the list.

So the gist of things is, they rewrote the learner bike laws without any thought whatsoever to how you guys were going to enforce it? That's awfully kind of them.

"Nah officer, when they put RVF on that list they really meant to put VFR. It's just a typo!"

[Tigadee]

"But officer, it says 660cc and below, so that CBR600 is allowed..."

[KIPS powervalve]

Does anyone else remember when the RG 250's came out (Grey motor, with power valves), in the industry, they where nicknamed "kid killers"

I would be VERY surprised if an SV650 would be learner approved in NZ....(there is of course a race class for these in this country, that should set alarm bells ringing.)

The 250 rule is better (excluding RGV and NSR's and such like)

Shit, the rest of the world has to make do with 125's at best for learners.

There is a racing class for Hyosungs too, don't make 'em fast. Or reliable. Does make a good trash machine though.

[Asher]

The Popo bosses went to NZTA with a proposal for a notification on the license label, but it didn't get off the ground. Too hard to administer, they said.

The Popos bosses are trying to get a notification on the vehicle database, so they can doa reg check, and it also tells them whether the bike is LAMS approved or not.

Watch this space. I reckon the best that we can do on 1 October is carry a print of the list from the NZTA website. Remember that most cops aren't bike enthusiasts, to potentially don't know the difference between the good, bad and awful bikes on and off the list.

So when i go for an exemption how will they know i have it? a hand written note from my mum?

[Gremlin]

So when i go for an exemption how will they know i have it? a hand written note from my mum?

Exemptions are a different matter. If it's the same as the previous system, you receive a letter authorising you to any applicable new limit. This letter must be carried at all times and becomes a condition like any other on your licence. I carried certified copies, keeping the original safe.

However, it should be noted that it's unlikely exemptions will be approved much, as this is what LAMS helps to eliminate in the most part. I would think it would only be for existing motorcycles.

[nzbiker86]

I currently ride a ninja 250. Due to the changes coming in I don't really want to wait another 18 months to upgrade, the ninja is a little small and uncomfortable for my height. What would be your pick from the list of new LAMS approved bikes?

Cheers

[swtfa]

"The CBTA will be an alternative to the standard testing regime. Successful completion of CBTA
in the learner stage will remove the requirement to have to sit the motorcycle restricted test to
enter the restricted licence stage. Successful completion of an advanced CBTA will reduce the
minimum time required to be spent on a restricted licence from 18 months to 12 months and
will remove the requirement to have to sit the full motorcycle licence test to progress to a full
motorcycle licence."

I have made enquiries regarding "CBTA" (in Hawkes Bay)and no one seems to know what I am talking about...
Is this another Auckland thing?

[nzbiker86]

I looked into this. It is stating on the website that it wont come into play until late 2013. I reckon it will be similar to the UK CBTA. I had my test booked a couple of months ago, but had to cancel. How I regret that decision!

Oh well, Hopefully the CBTA will be available in 12 months time, I would actually prefer to do a skills assessment than a test.

[swtfa]

I looked into this. It is stating on the website that it wont come into play until late 2013. I reckon it will be similar to the UK CBTA. I had my test booked a couple of months ago, but had to cancel. How I regret that decision!

Oh well, Hopefully the CBTA will be available in 12 months time, I would actually prefer to do a skills assessment than a test.

Thanks for that and ditto

[GrayWolf]

Find a long road, if it goes faster than 180km/h, it's not restricted. The restricted ones (that we didn't get) are fucking slow

180k's or 115mph isnt fuckin slow for a learner.. geeebus H christos, its as fast as the 'old brit 650's'......................

[ducatilover]

180k's or 115mph isnt fuckin slow for a learner.. geeebus H christos, its as fast as the 'old brit 650's'......................

Agreed, but it'll take about four years to get there and a restricted 650 is making less peak hp than any of the 4 cyl 250s you can buy, the TV250 and the RVF400 (which really is bloody ridiculous for a learner bike...)

[Glowerss]

180k's or 115mph isnt fuckin slow for a learner.. geeebus H christos, its as fast as the 'old brit 650's'......................

The restricted hyobags will be lucky to do 140 or 150kph actual. They're only marginally faster then the 250hyobags. Some guy was doing comparos between the unrestricted 650s and the restricted ones. Resticted was doing 0-100kph in something like 8.5 seconds. Pretty sure 250 ninjas can do that in 7 seconds. The current batch of IL4 250s will do that a fuck of a lot quicker.

No need to get your panties all in a twist :P The only "interesting" bikes on the LAMS list are ones that nobody can find anymore. Nothing on the LAMS list is realistically more powerful then what we already have. The biggest advantage is more in the full sized frame department.

[Glowerss]

Agreed, but it'll take about four years to get there and a restricted 650 is making less peak hp than any of the 4 cyl 250s you can buy, the TV250 and the RVF400 (which really is bloody ridiculous for a learner bike...)

Assuming you can find an RVF400. I've been offhandidly shopping the last 6-8 months. Lots of VFRs around, Haven't seen a single RVF that I can remember. Though you're not wrong about them being ridiculous for a learner bike, but the odds of somebody buying their first bike finding an RVF for sale that's affordable I would assume would be quite low. And if they do manage to find one for sale at the exact time theyre shopping and dont do any research as to what it is, well, then they probably deserve the inevitable off. Darwinism at work!

[ducatilover]

Assuming you can find an RVF400. I've been offhandidly shopping the last 6-8 months. Lots of VFRs around, Haven't seen a single RVF that I can remember. Though you're not wrong about them being ridiculous for a learner bike, but the odds of somebody buying their first bike finding an RVF for sale that's affordable I would assume would be quite low. And if they do manage to find one for sale at the exact time theyre shopping and dont do any research as to what it is, well, then they probably deserve the inevitable off. Darwinism at work!

Quite right there, but, if one was a bit savvy they could be shelling out similar moolah on an RVF instead of a restricted Hyoslut or new GT250, EX250 etc. IMO it's now the "ultimate" learner bike, if only I had the dosh for one!

I'll stick to building ridiculous heaps of crap instead

[Glowerss]

Quite right there, but, if one was a bit savvy they could be shelling out similar moolah on an RVF instead of a restricted Hyoslut or new GT250, EX250 etc. IMO it's now the "ultimate" learner bike, if only I had the dosh for one!

I'll stick to building ridiculous heaps of crap instead

You're right, but one would think the price would rise as a consequence. Supply and demand and all that. And christ, you sure do know how to make an otherwise ordinary bike super fucking ugly. I commend you sir.