Big hikes in ACC levies for some

[James Deuce]

I wonder how many minority groups the government can touch before we have our own NZ Guido Fawkes night.

As many as they want. This is New Zealand. Kiwis in concentration camps will still be taking the approach that they wouldn't be there if they hadn't done something to deserve it.

[mashman]

Not a hope. This isn't to tie up the "Industry", this is to sort out tradesmen and utility type vehicles, as well has targeting SUVs and recreational diesel vehicles. The "Industry" won't touch it lest they draw attention to themselves.

I agree, but it will hit the trucking industry too and they don't usually take too kindly to price increases do they... or is NZ a different animal?

I can't be fucked even looking at the document.

Becha the price structure will be changing. To include more finely differentiated categories, possibly to introduce new ones altogether. Yes?

Small wager: the fee structure changes will be nicely aligned to better target those that can afford to pay 'em. Costs for those groups alone will be rising.

Am I close?

In spite of statistical contortions a 6 year old could see through it'll have fuck all to do with any "fairer" way to attribute costs.


Just call me Nostradamus.

You like totally freak me out Nostradamus.

[huff3r]

Not a hope. This isn't to tie up the "Industry", this is to sort out tradesmen and utility type vehicles, as well has targeting SUVs and recreational diesel vehicles. The "Industry" won't touch it lest they draw attention to themselves.

Oh you are so bright aren't you? Since when are recreational diesel vehicles and SUVs registered as "Goods Service Vehicles"?

As that is what this proposal is targeting yeah?

Those with a "Goods Service Vehicle" Registration?

[madandy]

Its not such a large cost increase.
I run a light van and a heavy truck & trailer so one(well two really cause I bet there's an increase on the trailer rego) levy goes up & one goes down.
A few cents increase at the pumps has a far greater cost to me and dont mention the recent RUC fuck over.

[bogan]

Oh you are so bright aren't you? Since when are recreational diesel vehicles and SUVs registered as "Goods Service Vehicles"?

As that is what this proposal is targeting yeah?

Those with a "Goods Service Vehicle" Registration?

I think he means the trucking industry (40T vehicles), as opposed to trades etc who might just have a two axle 5 ton 'truck'. The former comes under a single 'industry' banner, the later, not so much.

[Usarka]

Top figure of page 7, why is the current portion we pay now, double what it will be in 2019? Are we going to halve the accident cost by then, then allow it to start increasing again, cos thats what the graph seems to be saying.

Check the graph on weekly compensation costs. Took a huge dive in 2012 so obviously lots of disabled people have been successfully "rehabilitated" by ACC. They probably expect the same rate of culling over then next few years.

[bogan]

Check the graph on weekly compensation costs. Took a huge dive in 2012 so obviously lots of disabled people have been successfully "rehabilitated" by ACC. They probably expect the same rate of culling over then next few years.

So why did the current portion rise during that period on the other graph?

It looks very much like a 'massaged' set of figures to make it look like things will get better in the long term. But they've made sure the long term is far enough ahead so most will forget when that is supposed to happen.

[James Deuce]

Oh you are so bright aren't you? Since when are recreational diesel vehicles and SUVs registered as "Goods Service Vehicles"?

As that is what this proposal is targeting yeah?

Those with a "Goods Service Vehicle" Registration?

i'm being sarcastic. I know how my relies register their farm vehicles. Plus what bogan said.

[Usarka]

So why did the current portion rise during that period on the other graph?

I'm not sure what graph you mean, so I'll assume..... It's because National decided that ACC needed to act like an insurance company and have all the funds necessary today to pay for the life of all current claims. They fixed something that wasn't broke because they want to privatise it.

[bogan]

Having a closer look at the 'current levy portion'. Of the 257, 120 is to fund the new claims from that year. Another 120 is for funding adjustment, an ambiguous term which I think means to make sure ACC is overfunded so any big claim years are smoothed out. Another 16 for Scheme cost which I assume means admin, with approx 3mil vehicles thats around 50mil per year.

So in other words, the $334 bill covers a lot of things, only $120 of which is a levy to cover the current years claims.

I'm not sure what graph you mean, so I'll assume..... It's because National decided that ACC needed to act like an insurance company and have all the funds necessary today to pay for the life of all current claims. They fixed something that wasn't broke because they want to privatise it.

Nope, thats separated out into the dark green, its the light green I'm talking about.

[Usarka]

Nope, thats separated out into the dark green, its the light green I'm talking about.

You;ll have to help us out bro, there's 13+ tables and graphs in the doc....

[bogan]

You;ll have to help us out bro, there's 13+ tables and graphs in the doc....

You mean I should say something like top figure of page 7 then?

[swbarnett]

Let the fuckers rot.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face, me thinks.

[swbarnett]

I wonder how many minority groups the government can touch before we have our own NZ Guido Fawkes night.

As many as they like if done slowly enough. Boiling frog yet again.

[James Deuce]

Cutting off your nose to spite your face, me thinks.

Yes and no. The nose has already been cut off, so there's nothing left to spite. There is no point putting any effort into this. You'll get a five second surge of camaraderie, slightly damp trousers, and not much in the way of an outcome except another under-performing minister in a hatchet-man role put out to pasture.

Or alternatively (and probably most likely), none of the small truck operators won't notice anything amiss until they head in to register their vehicle and that will be despite a small and vocal group yelling, "ACC, blah, blah, blah, bastards" in squeaky Lilliputian voices at them for a couple of months.