The minority may ruin it for the majority on the "Coro Loop"

[Drew]

The one's that are safe at speed dont crash ... right ... ???

And none of those people have crashed on the Coro' loop ... right ... ??

And if they did crash ... it wasn't their fault ... so speed wasn't a factor ... right ..???

Why the need for such stupid statements? Putting your own biased words in a mouth doesn't make a point, it makes you look like a cock.

Here's the facts that I have.

A KB coro ride was organised.

The tone of the ride was set long before the day of the ride dawned.

Someone on their newly purchased bike tagged along and ended up bleeding to death on the side of the road.

I'll look forward to being filled in on the finer details.

And this is the fault of the other riders or ride organiser how?

If I organise a ride with a bunch of dudes who ride at my pace to come along, and some other dude shows up, I'm not gonna take responsibility for him, as I wouldn't for any of the other guys on the ride.

[Blackbird]

.........they also won't accept that something needs to be done to lower our injury numbers.

Completely agree but whilst official expectations for national driving standards are so low, it would be bloody hard to legislate it. Until then, it will be up to individual riders to accept that upskilling would be a smart move and that's about as likely as the average cage driver doing the same!

[Drew]

Completely agree but whilst official expectations for national driving standards are so low, it would be bloody hard to legislate it. Until then, it will be up to individual riders to accept that upskilling would be a smart move and that's about as likely as the average cage driver doing the same!

I know exactly what needs to happen to lower our road toll. But the general public wont accept they suck at driving/riding, so it's doomed really.

[Fatjim]

There isn't an answer. Unfortunately too much human factor involved as riding isn't just about getting from point A to point B.

[Katman]

If I organise a ride with a bunch of dudes who ride at my pace to come along, and some other dude shows up, I'm not gonna take responsibility for him, as I wouldn't for any of the other guys on the ride.

I'm not suggesting it's (nescessarily) the organisers responsibility if things turn to shit.

I'm pointing out the very real danger of getting a collection of motorcyclists together for a group ride where there is a wide (and unknown) spread of abilities.

[Maha]

I'm not suggesting it's (nescessarily) the organisers responsibility if things turn to shit.

I'm pointing out the very real danger of getting a collection of motorcyclists together for a group ride where there is a wide (and unknown) spread of abilities.

We have the very scenario on our group rides Steve.
The group is divided into smaller more managable groups, of no more than eight.
There are 5-6 ride rules that are laid out before we set off.
Experienced riders at front and rear that I trust, and they know what is expected from the ride.

I would take it personally if something went tits up...
The worst we have had to endure, is the odd U turn, which all adds to the nature of the ride as far as we are concerned.
Long may it continue.

[FJRider]

Why the need for such stupid statements? Putting your own biased words in a mouth doesn't make a point, it makes you look like a cock.

I was referring to the post quoted below. If you choose to take it out of context ... that's your problem. Nobody is safe "At high speed" ... there are enough things that can go wrong at the speed limit. No matter how well you know the road ... it can only be as you remember it was, the last time you went over it. Less than half a day can have changes that could kill you at sedate speeds ... be it a diesel spill or loose gravel on your braking points. Or has been mentioned ... another vehicle right where you want to be.

Fault would then be left for the judge (or coroner) to decide.

If you couldn't see the point of my quote ... perhaps you're not as intelligent as I gave you credit for. MY mistake ... I wont make it again.

Now you sound lie a law making politician. As an experienced biker you know damn well that that statement is incorrect. Some people are safe at high speeds, some shouldn't be allowed to do 50....

And this is the fault of the other riders or ride organiser how?

If I organise a ride with a bunch of dudes who ride at my pace to come along, and some other dude shows up, I'm not gonna take responsibility for him, as I wouldn't for any of the other guys on the ride.

It's not so much FAULT ... but more "guilt by association" ... they were on your ride and so you allowed their behaviour. Some judges (and coroners) can take a dim view of that too.

[Road kill]

Was it a twin or the four ... ???

A twin,,the four was still a couple of years away,,then came the 400/4,,and the 550/4,,and the 750/4.

The 550 was the best but the others were also pretty good

[FJRider]

A twin,,the four was still a couple of years away,,then came the 400/4,,and the 550/4,,and the 750/4.

The 550 was the best but the others were also pretty good

I have ridden all them. Although the 350/4 was quick ... (and as smooth as it's build era would allow) the twin was actually faster.

[Road kill]

Wow, you Harley boys must have really advanced clothing if it can alter the way you ride and the way your bike handles things like diesel spills!

Been on two KB riders,,bad crashes on both of em'.
A couple of months later two KB'ers died on the Coro loop.
The worst thing about it was you could almost pick them at the start of both rides.

Went on a mixed ride put on by the Triumph owners last year,,the worst an most dangerous riders by far were "a few guys" on large Jap cruisers.

Everybody else,HD,Dukes,Triumphs of both era's,mixed Jap Sport bikes,,,all more or less behaved themselves well an got on bloody fine.

[Drew]

I was referring to the post quoted below. If you choose to take it out of context ... that's your problem. Nobody is safe "At high speed" ... there are enough things that can go wrong at the speed limit. No matter how well you know the road ... it can only be as you remember it was, the last time you went over it. Less than half a day can have changes that could kill you at sedate speeds ... be it a diesel spill or loose gravel on your braking points. Or has been mentioned ... another vehicle right where you want to be.

Fault would then be left for the judge (or coroner) to decide.

If you couldn't see the point of my quote ... perhaps you're not as intelligent as I gave you credit for. MY mistake ... I wont make it again.





It's not so much FAULT ... but more "guilt by association" ... they were on your ride and so you allowed their behaviour. Some judges (and coroners) can take a dim view of that too.

No one gives me credit for any intelect. It would make them an idiot.

The term used should have been "higher speed", rather than "high speed", so lets clear that up before we continue.

The question is ability in this instance, and what you said flat out leaves NO room for it. People I invite on rides have it, (in fuckin spades considering how slow we're going), so I think they're less likely to crash.

[jrandom]

I'm keen to head to the Coro loop this summer and race some Harley riders, I reckon I'll clean up.

[bogan]

Nobody is safe "At high speed" ... there are enough things that can go wrong at the speed limit. No matter how well you know the road ... it can only be as you remember it was, the last time you went over it. Less than half a day can have changes that could kill you at sedate speeds ... be it a diesel spill or loose gravel on your braking points. Or has been mentioned ... another vehicle right where you want to be.

Don't forget about boredom. If the speeds are too low road users pay less attention to their driving, less attention is longer reaction times. It may be that a bored driver's delay in reacting to a hazard means they hit it quicker than a faster but more attentive driver.

Riding 'ahead' of your sightlines is a whole other issue which shouldn't be confused with speed limits.

[FJRider]

No one gives me credit for any intelect. It would make them an idiot.

As I said ... I wont be as idiotic in future ...

The term used should have been "higher speed", rather than "high speed", so lets clear that up before we continue.

"Should have" is a commonly used term ... after a crash too ...

But the (my) quote was on what he DID say

The question is ability in this instance, and what you said flat out leaves NO room for it. People I invite on rides have it, (in fuckin spades considering how slow we're going), so I think they're less likely to crash.

Regardless of the amount of ability a rider has ... "having it in spades" will amount to fuck all ... if they're on the wrong piece of road, at the wrong time.

I hope they're feeling lucky too ...

[Drew]

As I said ... I wont be as idiotic in future ...

You'll feel better for the mistake in the morning, countless have before you.

"Should have" is a commonly used term ... after a crash too ...

Out of context, but nice try.

But the (my) quote was on what he DID say

But you didn't try and understand the meaning, before jumping on the soap box. I know you will try and consider this, we've spoken and you are reasonable.

Regardless of the amount of ability a rider has ... "having it in spades" will amount to fuck all ... if they're on the wrong piece of road, at the wrong time.

Speed makes no difference in the wrong place, at the wrong time. What makes the difference is the rider being alert and on the case!