Teachers and the MinEd

[Jantar]

..... She's had enough of the abuse and the PC nonsense, so she's getting out.

Damn. The fact that she recognises some of the causes of the poor state of our education system shows that she is the type of teacher we need to retain and promote.

[Banditbandit]

OK ... here we go .. Our polticians got a $5,000 pay increase in late 2011, backdated to July 1.

"Backbenchers will now be paid a base salary of $141,800, up from $134,800. The next prime minister's salary will rise from $400,500 to $411,510. The increases are backdated to July 1 this year"

Fuck me ... a backbencher is paid TWICE what a top paid teacher is ... is a doppy backbench politician really worth that much .. are they producing enough to justify that pay??? And the increase for the PM was $11,510... that's just the extra he gets ... What are they actually producing anyway ???


In 2000 the backbenchers were paid $85,000 and a minister $149,000 (no idea what a prime minsietr was paid ... can't find that anywwhere ..)

That's a 66.8% increase for our backbenchers in the same period the average teacher salary went up by 54.8% .. I know which one deserves the money .. and it's nto the ones siting in Wellington behaving like children and blowing hot air ..

[Swoop]

Level 1 & 2 courses are being taken off of private training providers and other teaching institutions.
They are going to be pushed back onto schools, so wait for the complaints then.

Quite clever though. It means no student loans or having to get them repaid, all for a modicum of funding increase for the schools.

[Banditbandit]

Level 1 & 2 courses are being taken off of private training providers and other teaching institutions.
They are going to be pushed back onto schools, so wait for the complaints then.

Quite clever though. It means no student loans or having to get them repaid, all for a modicum of funding increase for the schools.

Yesa .. and about time too ...

Level 1 and 2 courses the Govt is talking about are roughly the equiveent of 5th and 6th form courses (for the oldies) Year 11 and 12 for the young ones ...

I have no idea why such courses were placed in tertiary education - except some people thought that tertiary education should clean up the messes of the high schools ... I, for one, am sick of cleaning up the mess that high school teachers have made ...

[nonie]

Performance pay issue. Police don't get it, politicians don't get it, doctors at govt. owned hospitals don't, nurses don't. Why...because in the case of govt. workers (no, not the politicians), they are dealing with an unknown variable. Secondary teachers rarely see the same pupils for more than one year in a row. Can't compare apples with cabbages can you now ! As a teacher of 13 years I have seen it all really. Kids that come to school stoned out of their heads, kids that come to school from homes with no indoor bathroom facilities, hungry kids, kids from abusive or neglectful parents, kids that get no support from home with school work, kids whose parents simply don't give a rats ass about how their kids behave and so it goes on. I've lost count of the number of times I have heard kids tell teachers to f@#k off, had things thrown at them, pushed/shoved them and the simply lazy kid who will just not do anything they are asked to do. The teachers who stick it out do it because they actually give a damn about the next generation.. they do their best to help these ungrateful, neglected, socially deviant and/or neglected kids so that they can see a future for themselves.
I am SO sick of teacher bashing by those who have never spent a day in front of a class.

[Akzle]

Judging by the quality of reasoning and skilled punctuation and spelling in your posts I gather your educational record is questionable. Best not to blame the teachers for your failings as a student- you cant polish a turd.

what, second, third time you've tried cracking that one... still not funny.

(i wunnt blaming anyone for anything, either. jackass.)

[SVboy]

what, second, third time you've tried cracking that one... still not funny.

(i wunnt blaming anyone for anything, either. jackass.)

Nup-first time fucktard. Now got anything relevant to say about secondary education and teachers or is the discussion already over your head?

[Akzle]

Nup-first time fucktard. Now got anything relevant to say about secondary education and teachers or is the discussion already over your head?

mum didn't hug you enough eh? or maybe dad hugged you too much...
i've been here since page one. wakey wakey.

[PrincessBandit]

... wakey wakey.

"Wakey wakey hand off snakey", as I've heard a DP say before...(although he wasn't a DP then)

[SVboy]

mum didn't hug you enough eh? or maybe dad hugged you too much...
i've been here since page one. wakey wakey.

Another swing and a miss from the inbred. Sure ,you have contributed in your own "certain" style. It just that you have nothing to say. Remember, the topic is teachers, performance pay, and infrastructure destruction. Big words I know, but do your best. Perhaps your mummy can help you with what they mean. Here, I will even get off her first if that makes it easier for you.....

[bogan]

Nup-first time fucktard. Now got anything relevant to say about secondary education and teachers or is the discussion already over your head?

I'm sure you're not the first to bring it up though, and I suspect you won't be the last. You'd almost think there might be something to it

[oldrider]

Performance pay issue. Police don't get it, politicians don't get it, doctors at govt. owned hospitals don't, nurses don't. Why...because in the case of govt. workers (no, not the politicians), they are dealing with an unknown variable. Secondary teachers rarely see the same pupils for more than one year in a row. Can't compare apples with cabbages can you now ! As a teacher of 13 years I have seen it all really. Kids that come to school stoned out of their heads, kids that come to school from homes with no indoor bathroom facilities, hungry kids, kids from abusive or neglectful parents, kids that get no support from home with school work, kids whose parents simply don't give a rats ass about how their kids behave and so it goes on. I've lost count of the number of times I have heard kids tell teachers to f@#k off, had things thrown at them, pushed/shoved them and the simply lazy kid who will just not do anything they are asked to do. The teachers who stick it out do it because they actually give a damn about the next generation.. they do their best to help these ungrateful, neglected, socially deviant and/or neglected kids so that they can see a future for themselves.
I am SO sick of teacher bashing by those who have never spent a day in front of a class.

Performance pay is in "support of good teachers" not teacher bashing! High performance teachers should be rewarded accordingly, so should poor performance!

The current system you describe above is held together by the lack of accountability within all of those "reward by length of time in the service" organisations!

Politicians are judged at least every three years and are also judged by the performance (or lack of it) of their peers as well, unfortunately they are protected by MMP!

[SVboy]

Performance pay is in "support of good teachers" not teacher bashing! High performance teachers should be rewarded accordingly, so should poor performance!

The current system you describe above is held together by the lack of accountability within all of those "reward by length of time in the service" organisations!

Politicians are judged at least every three years and are also judged by the performance (or lack of it) of their peers as well, unfortunately they are protected by MMP!

What is a high performance teacher please?

[Oakie]

OK ... here we go .. Our polticians got a $5,000 pay increase in late 2011, backdated to July 1.

"Backbenchers will now be paid a base salary of $141,800, up from $134,800. The next prime minister's salary will rise from $400,500 to $411,510. The increases are backdated to July 1 this year"

Fuck me ... a backbencher is paid TWICE what a top paid teacher is ... is a doppy backbench politician really worth that much .. are they producing enough to justify that pay??? And the increase for the PM was $11,510... that's just the extra he gets ... What are they actually producing anyway ???


In 2000 the backbenchers were paid $85,000 and a minister $149,000 (no idea what a prime minsietr was paid ... can't find that anywwhere ..)

That's a 66.8% increase for our backbenchers in the same period the average teacher salary went up by 54.8% .. I know which one deserves the money .. and it's nto the ones siting in Wellington behaving like children and blowing hot air ..

But on the other hand the politicians have to apply for their jobs back every three years. I wonder how some teachers would fare if they had to get 50% of the the parents to approve their continuing employment every three years.

[bogan]

But on the other hand the politicians have to apply for their jobs back every three years. I wonder how some teachers would fare if they had to get 50% of the the parents to approve their continuing employment every three years.

50% of parents seem to think that after school care and catering is also in a teachers job description. So I guess not.