MotoGP 2012

[sil3nt]

Fuck you lot like to wank on about how motogp doesn't need to be exciting because the machines are so great.

They are barely any faster than a WSBK that produces just as much if not more HP (and they both have weight limits in the 165kg area) yet the superbikes have managed great side by side racing all season.

Get rid of wheelie control, traction control, launch control and setups that can change for each corner. All of these things have been part of F1 before and they all managed to make the sport more dull.

If the riders really are another level above the superbike guys like some people say then they should have no trouble controlling the bike.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck you lot like to wank on about how motogp doesn't need to be exciting because the machines are so great.

They are barely any faster than a WSBK that produces just as much if not more HP (and they both have weight limits in the 165kg area) yet the superbikes have managed great side by side racing all season.

Get rid of wheelie control, traction control, launch control and setups that can change for each corner. All of these things have been part of F1 before and they all managed to make the sport more dull.

If the riders really are another level above the superbike guys like some people say then they should have no trouble controlling the bike.

I'd love the racing to be closer. But seeing as it's not...I still enjoy the spectacle. Have you ever been to a GP? Serious question. I've just come back from PI. Think it's about the 11th or 12th GP I've been to. Was the racing close in the main class? Not really. Did I still wet my pants? Absofuckinglutely.

As for your bike comparison...don't kid yourself too much about the electronics. Superbikes are fair fucking dripping with it too.

And as far as rider ability goes? That argument has been done to death. There wouldn't be anyone in the world that knows WTF they're talking about that wouldn't agree the true cream is still, and more than likely always will be the GP boys.

[Mental Trousers]

Yep.

Superbikes have a ridiculous number of electronic systems in them. Same with SuperSports. Data Analysts and Electronics Technicians are just as prevalent in those two classes as they are in GP.

As for ability, the guys who have won the WSBK for the last 4 years are all current or former MotoGP riders. Anyone going to bet against 2013 being a race between Checa (nice new Panigale), Biaggi or Melandri??

[Crasherfromwayback]

As for ability, the guys who have won the WSBK for the last 4 years are all current or former MotoGP riders. Anyone going to bet against 2013 being a race between Checa (nice new Panigale), Biaggi or Melandri??

And Spies is going how well? And how badly would Checa, Biaggi or Melandri go back in GP's? Poorly. Exactly why they're in fucking Superbikes.

[sil3nt]

I'd love the racing to be closer. But seeing as it's not...I still enjoy the spectacle. Have you ever been to a GP? Serious question. I've just come back from PI. Think it's about the 11th or 12th GP I've been to. Was the racing close in the main class? Not really. Did I still wet my pants? Absofuckinglutely.

As for your bike comparison...don't kid yourself too much about the electronics. Superbikes are fair fucking dripping with it too.

And as far as rider ability goes? That argument has been done to death. There wouldn't be anyone in the world that knows WTF they're talking about that wouldn't agree the true cream is still, and more than likely always will be the GP boys.

Rider ability is impossible to judge unless you give them all a season together on the same bikes. There are 2 or 3 GP boys that are a class above the rest.

Get rid of the electronics on the superbikes as well. Great for road users but these guys are professionals and should be able to handle these bikes without these systems helping them.

Never seen any bike racing live....that's not the point of the argument. People turn up to see the bikes not the racing. If they want to see racing they stay home and watch Moto 2

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rider ability is impossible to judge unless you give them all a season together on the same bikes. There are 2 or 3 GP boys that are a class above the rest.

Get rid of the electronics on the superbikes as well. Great for road users but these guys are professionals and should be able to handle these bikes without these systems helping them.

Never seen any bike racing live....that's not the point of the argument. People turn up to see the bikes not the racing. If they want to see racing they stay home and watch Moto 2

Of course it's not.

I agree mate...but the cunts that build the bikes want the electronics (the riders don't want 'em either)...so gonna be a tough nut to crack.

And all I can say is this...go to a GP while they're still full house prototypes. You won't regret it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

More pics from the Island...

[Robert Taylor]

Rider ability is impossible to judge unless you give them all a season together on the same bikes. There are 2 or 3 GP boys that are a class above the rest.

Get rid of the electronics on the superbikes as well. Great for road users but these guys are professionals and should be able to handle these bikes without these systems helping them.

Never seen any bike racing live....that's not the point of the argument. People turn up to see the bikes not the racing. If they want to see racing they stay home and watch Moto 2

Electronics are increasingly more prevalent in our lives, get used to it. MotoGP is also about the engineering, as it damn well should be.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Some cute wee planes...

[sil3nt]

Electronics are increasingly more prevalent in our lives, get used to it. MotoGP is also about the engineering, as it damn well should be.

Cool lets get rid of the riders and just let the electronics race.

[ktm84mxc]

So you want Robot racing on full size bikes now that would be fun to watch, so a over weight/unfit controller could win the race , hell even some one with a disability could I say yes lets make it PC and must be made to happen .

[Robert Taylor]

Cool lets get rid of the riders and just let the electronics race.

Now thats a caveman reaction if I ever heard one. The most skilled riders always make it to the top. Flash back to when Mick Doohan was winning world championships, hardly anyone else got a look in at that time. By your reasoning then electronics could be harnessed to subdue the top riders so that the less skilled can race with them, and therefore create a false spectacle.

[Robert Taylor]

So you want Robot racing on full size bikes now that would be fun to watch, so a over weight/unfit controller could win the race , hell even some one with a disability could I say yes lets make it PC and must be made to happen .

Probably ''overweight'' engineers have from time to time built or set-up bikes that have made it easier for the rider to win races. Skilled engineers I dont have a problem with.

[wayne]

Skilled engineers I dont have a problem with. ...................(lol)


where are they found in nz, only retired ones i know of ?

can you name some ?

[DidJit]

Hiroshi Aoyama is back in MotoGP (substituting for Yonny Hernandez at Valencia).

Interesting that Ryuichi Kiyonari and Aoyama are being lined up for next season as well. Good that it's not at the expense of anyone (Hernandez is likely to move to PBM and Michele Pirro has apparently signed up to become a Ducati test rider).