Part of Society? - For Akzle

[Akzle]

So you're the gay on a horse that is stoned.
So now not only are you saying you DO interact with society, making you part of it, and you give yourself a title used by society, now you say that you inflict your addictions onto others.

gey, not gay.
i've never said i don't interact with society, i've said ( a few times now) that interacting with, does not make you part of. after all, i interact with you and i'm not a cunt.
okay. i am a cunt.
but i'm not like you.

title used by society? which is that?
inflict? addictions? come on borry boy. try harder.

[Akzle]

Just remember that before you can get to the throat, you got to get past the teeth

I've also been known to bite a pillow or two

you're such a flirt.

((no offense intended, by anything i've said, this is KB after all.))

[007XX]

you're such a flirt.

Guilty as charged, tis a bit of a trademark. All in good fun though, and those who know me on here know it is always meant with respect.

[/QUOTE] ((no offense intended, by anything i've said, this is KB after all.))[/QUOTE]

Can't remember the last time anyone managed to offend me, here or anywehere else for that matter.

PLease don't tell me you'd be another keyboard hero who deflates like a cheap blow up doll when meeting in RL. I'd be ever so disappointed.

[BoristheBiter]

gey, not gay.
i've never said i don't interact with society, i've said ( a few times now) that interacting with, does not make you part of. after all, i interact with you and i'm not a cunt.
okay. i am a cunt.
but i'm not like you.

title used by society? which is that?
inflict? addictions? come on borry boy. try harder.

But if you interact with society wouldn't that make you part of it? even if by proxy alone?
You are interacting with us here and now so at this point you are part of society.
You say you have friends and people that you help or work for or whatever so that makes you part of a community, making you part of society.
If you really wanted to not be part of society you wouldn't be on here trying to defend your position.

And your right your not a cunt like me, for I have warmth and depth.

[BoristheBiter]

Guilty as charged, tis a bit of a trademark. All in good fun though, and those who know me on here know it is always meant with respect.

((no offense intended, by anything i've said, this is KB after all.))[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Can't remember the last time anyone managed to offend me, here or anywehere else for that matter.

PLease don't tell me you'd be another keyboard hero who deflates like a cheap blow up doll when meeting in RL. I'd be ever so disappointed.[/QUOTE]

I think you might be OK as he does seem to be full of hot air.

[Genestho]

A keyboard grandstander

You may be fully aware of what people are capable of and I'm pretty sure most of us are in the same boat here, but I really think it's coloured your view and again, it's clear you haven't met all types in society.
Whether you realise it or not, in two years of posting there's an under lying theme, that wealthy people think they are better than us - who, us?

You mean you, right? If you were any more serious than tapping at your keyboard you would take your website to a political party, I'm sure one could do with an idea or two from a chap that's come from an almost completely collapsed monetry system.

Trust me, people don't come to you, "one day" is over the rainbow.

Usual Money is evil, spin

Life among many things, is a game. Make the wrong choice and suffer the consequences. In the good times you make the most, in the hard times you suck it up.

It's not money that's evil, it's the people that can't control themselves and that includes consumers who buy stuff they can't afford and don't save for rainy days.
You may say it's the Govt's fault, the bankers the corporates, they just provide the tools there is no arm twisting going on, the consumer makes their own choices.

Some of us do that just fine, infact there's heaps of us that do that, always have, always will.

You'll never change people, ever.

Why else is there the term consumerism, it's rife and feeds off its own writhing body.

Ohhhh hahaa, so tell me how you feel the need to reassure me that your life is better than mine, (I'm sure there must be a Gene Wilder MeMe for that?)

Ahhhh. Sweetheart, my point was despite everything that's how I come to be who I am today.
That's actually good stuff. Life changing, yanno? But I'm sure you already knew that!

Questions

Poppet, I really think you're moving your own goalposts ever so slightly for the benefit of our entertainment and your own amusement.

I confused as to who/what are the windmills here

I was thinking it was more of a sport? Like lob for lob in tennis..



Although I much prefer squash, there's no decent grunt clips on youtube!!

This bone's well and truly knawed on! Tally ho chaps!!!

[007XX]

I think you might be OK as he does seem to be full of hot air.

I've been lucky enough to meet a lot of KBers over the years, and 99% are fantastic people.

Very few have as much bark as bite though, which is not a bad thing really. Many a thread on here has discussed the phenomenon of "behind the keyboard courage", a perfectly normal Jekyll and Hyde personality we all seem to develop at one point or another.

I just like the fact that Akzle stands up for what he believes in. Like him or not, he is allowed his viewpoint, whether it makes sense to the rest of us or not is kind of irrelevant in the end.

[Banditbandit]

lucky bugger. my boat's missing a trailer (and the weather is shit anyway)

The weather wasn't that great here either - I was intending to cross the bar and go out to about 25 metres ... the sea was choppy so I stayed inside the harbour - and caught nothing (good time sitting out there doing nothing tho')

[BoristheBiter]

I've been lucky enough to meet a lot of KBers over the years, and 99% are fantastic people.

Very few have as much bark as bite though, which is not a bad thing really. Many a thread on here has discussed the phenomenon of "behind the keyboard courage", a perfectly normal Jekyll and Hyde personality we all seem to develop at one point or another.

I just like the fact that Akzle stands up for what he believes in. Like him or not, he is allowed his viewpoint, whether it makes sense to the rest of us or not is kind of irrelevant in the end.

It's like the "safe in my car so I will abuse you" syndrome.

I have nothing against Akzle, since he has stopped just abusing people, I guess a few infractions have changed that or maybe he has just grown up ever so slightly. It also helps when one doesn't take themselves too seriously.

The one thing I have learnt is if you post on here be ready to back it up as there is nothing some like better than to pull a post apart.

[mashman]

You may be fully aware of what people are capable of and I'm pretty sure most of us are in the same boat here, but I really think it's coloured your view and again, it's clear you haven't met all types in society.
Whether you realise it or not, in two years of posting there's an under lying theme, that wealthy people think they are better than us - who, us?

I'm not saying that I've met the 7 billion types of people that there are. Just some of them from a broad cross section of society.
I'll admit to that underlying theme up until about a year ago, however my view has changed somewhat since then. However I still believe that plenty of wealthy people still believe that they are better than whoever they decide to feel that they are better than, although my understanding as to why has grown, oddly enough thanks to KB.

If you were any more serious than tapping at your keyboard you would take your website to a political party, I'm sure one could do with an idea or two from a chap that's come from an almost completely collapsed monetry system.

Been there, done that (not with any great conviction yet) and got the result expected I guess. Have spoken with people who are "off grid" and they have aired concerns over such a system. They helped highlight some of the larger picture that I hadn't addressed. I am always open to the ideas of others, I may put up a fight when challenged, but that's not a unique stand point. It's an awefully large subject to cover in a few pages, especially given that it means something different to everyone. I am aware of this.

Trust me, people don't come to you, "one day" is over the rainbow.

I'm fully aware of that and I'm in no great rush as I have a life to live too. Do I make my one man protest, do I go and rark up certain sectors of society and do something completely insane, do I leave my family and pursue what I know is more beneficial for mankind etc... It's all rushing through my noggin and a great rate of knots and funnily enough the pace of my "progress" comes down to money, irrespective of the choice I make. If I can source funding someday, I'll go full tilt as the "radical" ideas can safely take a back seat.

Life among many things, is a game. Make the wrong choice and suffer the consequences. In the good times you make the most, in the hard times you suck it up.

It's not money that's evil, it's the people that can't control themselves and that includes consumers who buy stuff they can't afford and don't save for rainy days.
You may say it's the Govt's fault, the bankers the corporates, they just provide the tools there is no arm twisting going on, the consumer makes their own choices.

Some of us do that just fine, infact there's heaps of us that do that, always have, always will.

You'll never change people, ever.

Why else is there the term consumerism, it's rife and feeds off its own writhing body.

Ohhhh hahaa, so tell me how you feel the need to reassure me that your life is better than mine, (I'm sure there must be a Gene Wilder MeMe for that?)

Ahhhh. Sweetheart, my point was despite everything that's how I come to be who I am today.
That's actually good stuff. Life changing, yanno? But I'm sure you already knew that!

Fair enough... to a degree.

Money (value) is evil for our future. I've got absolutely no doubts on that score. The only reason people can't control themselves (consumerism, govts, corporates, bankers etc...) is because money is there. It puts people into positions that bring out the worst in us and more often than not it's the innocent people that get stung. You may say that that is the rough with the smooth, I say that it's an unnecessary rough. I'll not go into the whys because they are numerous and they all come down to money, not greed, but money, because we can print as much money as we like should we wish to. However some fancy economic therorum won't allow it unless it looks like that system is going to collapse, then they print it like it's going out of fashion. That's nothing more than a simple truth. Unfortunately it leaves people hungry, homeless, warring, jobless etc... again, just more simple truths. All things that are avoidable imho.

Yes some of us do just fine and some of us die, some of us get raped, some of us get "prostituted" etc... but that's ok, because lots of us are doing fine? Unavoidable?

I have changed people's minds, it started with myself, it moved on to my wife, some friends understand and would accept that life... and then I find that there are plenty of people (reportedly at least 50 million, from a website ) out there who feel the same. Some of them are on KB. I don't know if someone helped to change their minds or whether they worked it out for themselves, but I highly doubt that they have always felt that way. People change, it's a fact.

Agreed. Consumerism does feed off itself and that we are all to blame etc... this MUST change for the sake of future generations otherwise we'll end up with absolute chaos and a human cull that'll make Africa look like a practice ground. You may not like the sounds of that, you may even think that it's a grand conspiracy or a prophecy of doom and gloom, but I don't see us moving in any other direction and refuse to accept that that is just the way it has to be. No doubt there will be others who won't accept that either.

, I never meant that my life is better than yours by any means, however I did mean that the world I would like to live in would be better than the one we currently have... or is ending poverty in NZ not important? ending hunger in NZ not important? ending Education/Healthcare/Electricity/Housing/Recovery etc... affordability in NZ not important? It's all very possible if you want it to be.

I look to the future, my past is my past and has very little bearing on who I am today. There may well be a single point in my past when I decided that NOW is possible, but that's as far as it goes. In fact it was more than likely to do with me looking towards the future given the present. Semantics perhaps... a bit like not identifying oneself as part of a particular society and yet interacting with it because there really is very little choice and having people deny that you aren't part of that society. Not that they're missing the point, they're just not smart enough to be able to make the distinction.

[BoristheBiter]

I look to the future, my past is my past and has very little bearing on who I am today. There may well be a single point in my past when I decided that NOW is possible, but that's as far as it goes. In fact it was more than likely to do with me looking towards the future given the present. Semantics perhaps... a bit like not identifying oneself as part of a particular society and yet interacting with it because there really is very little choice and having people deny that you aren't part of that society. Not that they're missing the point, they're just not smart enough to be able to make the distinction.

I would say that your past has every bearing on who you are today.

Your last sentence assumes a lot.
Maybe it is you that is not smart enough to realize that you are wrong.
Maybe "living off grid" and "not part of society" are two different things.
Maybe you give the human race far too much credit.

"to have good, first you must have evil"

[Akzle]

But if you interact with society wouldn't that make you part of it? even if by proxy alone?
You are interacting with us here and now so at this point you are part of society.
You say you have friends and people that you help or work for or whatever so that makes you part of a community, making you part of society.
If you really wanted to not be part of society you wouldn't be on here trying to defend your position.

you really aren't trying are you? you're just making stuff up.
grab a dictionary before you try and use proxy in a sentence again.

community≠society.

there is no defence of my position, just stating. repeatedly because some people don't seem to comprehend. or they think their interpretation of english is more correct than mine.

i am interacting with KB society, the differnece between this and society at large is that I SIGNED UP FOR IT. i clicked "i've read and accept the terms and conditions" (i didn't actually read em, who does?, sorry mods) - not something that i've ever done, with society at large.

again. if i interact with the asian guy at the fruit shop, does that make me asian, or fruit? by your logic it has to be at least one...

PLease don't tell me you'd be another keyboard hero who deflates like a cheap blow up doll when meeting in RL. I'd be ever so disappointed.

my offer of an all-night-intriguing is still on the table...

Poppet, I really think you're moving your own goalposts ever so slightly for the benefit of our entertainment and your own amusement.

that's an easy out for ya, innit.

few have as much bark as bite though, which is not a bad thing really.

...kink'y....

[mashman]

I would say that your past has every bearing on who you are today.

Your last sentence assumes a lot.
Maybe it is you that is not smart enough to realize that you are wrong.
Maybe "living off grid" and "not part of society" are two different things.
Maybe you give the human race far too much credit.

"to have good, first you must have evil"

It can make for some interesting stories, but it doesn't make me who I currently am. That is defined by my future and it is my future, and others's's'sss'sss', that defines who I currently am.

My last sentence assumes what I wish it to. Your job is to translate it as you see fit... although I wouldn't dare to assume what your translation would be... much.

If the idea is right, which I believe it is, and I can stay as close to it as possible, then I won't be wrong. That doesn't mean that I'll never be wrong, just less so than those who don't believe in it at all.
I have said as much in a previous post, although the definition will change from person to person.
Maybe I am giving the human race too much credit, but given that they've made it this far, I reckon they're a pretty tough bunch that are capable of anything.

To have good you must first have to had worse I'll agree to, not necessarily evil. Take the tools away and evil will be very easy to spot and deal with... preferably with strong measures, death if need be.

[007XX]

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my offer of an all-night-intriguing is still on the table...
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Dude, I'm lucky if I have enough energy at the end of the day to enjoy a little "me, myself and I" ...

However kind your offer, don't hold your breath for a go ahead on that one eh!

[Genestho]

I'm not saying that I've met the 7 billion types of people that there are. Just some of them from a broad cross section of society.
I'll admit to that underlying theme up until about a year ago, however my view has changed somewhat since then. However I still believe that plenty of wealthy people still believe that they are better than whoever they decide to feel that they are better than, although my understanding as to why has grown, oddly enough thanks to KB.

Well, again.. I don't know any wealthy people that think they're better than anyone, almost all have come from the bottom up from hard work alone, so, well again, poor you is all I can think!

Been there, done that (not with any great conviction yet) and got the result expected I guess. Have spoken with people who are "off grid" and they have aired concerns over such a system. They helped highlight some of the larger picture that I hadn't addressed. I am always open to the ideas of others, I may put up a fight when challenged, but that's not a unique stand point. It's an awefully large subject to cover in a few pages, especially given that it means something different to everyone. I am aware of this.

Of course.

I'm fully aware of that and I'm in no great rush as I have a life to live too. Do I make my one man protest, do I go and rark up certain sectors of society and do something completely insane, do I leave my family and pursue what I know is more beneficial for mankind etc... It's all rushing through my noggin and a great rate of knots and funnily enough the pace of my "progress" comes down to money, irrespective of the choice I make. If I can source funding someday, I'll go full tilt as the "radical" ideas can safely take a back seat.

Right.

Fair enough... to a degree.

Money (value) is evil for our future. I've got absolutely no doubts on that score. The only reason people can't control themselves (consumerism, govts, corporates, bankers etc...) is because money is there. It puts people into positions that bring out the worst in us and more often than not it's the innocent people that get stung. You may say that that is the rough with the smooth, I say that it's an unnecessary rough. I'll not go into the whys because they are numerous and they all come down to money, not greed, but money, because we can print as much money as we like should we wish to. However some fancy economic therorum won't allow it unless it looks like that system is going to collapse, then they print it like it's going out of fashion. That's nothing more than a simple truth. Unfortunately it leaves people hungry, homeless, warring, jobless etc... again, just more simple truths. All things that are avoidable imho.

Right. And before money it was what? Commodities?
Before that Grain? It's what people do! They collect and trade as much tradeable current commodity, if it's not money next century it'll be something else!

Have you noticed what year we're currently in and there's been no change since the beginning of civilisation?

In year dot bc, there were thieves, rapists, bastards, poverty stricken, lazy, hard workers, child beaters, murderers, envy, strong and weak. NOTHING will change.
Every few decades there's a revolution or culture change of sorts, but we always end up the same. difference is now we're globalised for better or for worse, we're smarter, yet dumber!


Yes some of us do just fine and some of us die, some of us get raped, some of us get "prostituted" etc... but that's ok, because lots of us are doing fine? Unavoidable?

That's not what I meant and I'm sure you know it, hardly the same comparison. The point was, that some people are fiscally responsible and don't need to blame outside influences for simple economics of over spending or not saving!!

I have changed people's minds, it started with myself, it moved on to my wife, some friends understand and would accept that life... and then I find that there are plenty of people (reportedly at least 50 million, from a website ) out there who feel the same. Some of them are on KB. I don't know if someone helped to change their minds or whether they worked it out for themselves, but I highly doubt that they have always felt that way. People change, it's a fact.

No doubt about it, it's one of the things that makes us interesting, we are the authors of our beliefs and can write and edit our beliefs continuously as times go by.

Agreed. Consumerism does feed off itself and that we are all to blame etc... this MUST change for the sake of future generations otherwise we'll end up with absolute chaos and a human cull that'll make Africa look like a practice ground. You may not like the sounds of that, you may even think that it's a grand conspiracy or a prophecy of doom and gloom, but I don't see us moving in any other direction and refuse to accept that that is just the way it has to be. No doubt there will be others who won't accept that either.

, I never meant that my life is better than yours by any means, however I did mean that the world I would like to live in would be better than the one we currently have... or is ending poverty in NZ not important? ending hunger in NZ not important? ending Education/Healthcare/Electricity/Housing/Recovery etc... affordability in NZ not important? It's all very possible if you want it to be.

Trust me, So many people are doing their bit to co-exist and if more people bothered about doing their bit wouldn't be so bad out there. Much easier to whinge and join websites together though aye.

I look to the future, my past is my past and has very little bearing on who I am today. There may well be a single point in my past when I decided that NOW is possible, but that's as far as it goes. In fact it was more than likely to do with me looking towards the future given the present. Semantics perhaps... a bit like not identifying oneself as part of a particular society and yet interacting with it because there really is very little choice and having people deny that you aren't part of that society. Not that they're missing the point, they're just not smart enough to be able to make the distinction.

Right-o, you are who you are because of who you aren't yet, what you haven't experienced and what you don't know, yet? Seems legit, but granted it is your story!

Not smart enough? There you go again making assumptions. Maybe folks just don't care, maybe they have different ideas, maybe there's thousands of good people and volunteers in your community that you're taking for granted!!!